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Old 22-07-22, 01:51 PM
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Default 14th/20th small voided cartwheel cap badge

https://www.ebay.co.uk/bfl/viewbids/...p2047675.l2565

Not doubt a few of you were watching this one. So reasons why i did not bid:

1. The 14th Hussars sqns continued to wear the small version of the 'cartwheel' cap badge from 1919 upto 1922 and after amalgamation. I have posted photos on the forum of this cap badge with the solid centre in use post WW1.

2. Although the 20th Hussars was reduced to a cadre in 1922 pending disbandment, like several cavalry regiments the junior partner in the amalgamation had a full sqn resurrected: which continued to wear the cap badge and uniforms of the 20th Hussars for a few more years.

3. Circa 1926 the regiment adopted the eagle cap badge that it had worn in India in the 1900's.

4. It was not until 1931 that the eagle was officially recognised and issued.

5. It is my opinion that the 1926 eagles are likely to be the ones found with the FR on the chest.

6. The ebay badge is the collar design of the 14/20 Hussars. However there is no evidence to suggest that it was worn as a cap badge.

7. The use of the Gaunt name on a cap badge in the 1920's would not be on an issued badge but only privately bought. The regt bought the eagle design.

8. The ebay badge stamp is not one I like especially with the full stop.
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Old 22-07-22, 09:51 PM
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Some interesting observations Alan. Personally I’ve always been happy with mine, but for the £8 it cost I’m losing no sleep.

I would agree the slider and mark on the eBay badge are wrong. From the letter spacing I believe it’s a 15mm repro mark. Perhaps worth noting the verdigris / chemical attack to the reverse, so there’s a chance it may be a replacement.

To a limited extent Gaunt were marking some badges early post WW1 with straight marks. I own this Rough Riders with an 11mm mark by them, they converted to RHA in 1920 if I recall correctly.
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Old 23-07-22, 07:11 AM
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It would be nice to find evidence that either version of the small voided badge was worn by the 14/20th at sometime between 1922 and 1926 (1931) but so far I have been unable to find any thing that suggests that was the case. Considering that cavalry regiments were relatively small the vast number of voided badges on the market would suggest that they have been widely faked.
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Old 23-07-22, 10:16 AM
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I take your points Alan and admit my knowledge of post WW1 cavalry amalgamations and changes isn’t on par with your own.

Nonetheless from your reply there does seem a window of a few years where there’s room. The badges I’ve shown I do not believe are repros, the metal, strike, fonts, slider shapes and age etc. all look right in my experience.

Hopefully a photo turns up, albeit, it would be a huge ask to be able to read the scroll. However, since the design appears to be a logical progression if one was worn the likelihood of the others existence and wear is apparent.

Until that photo of the 13th Hussars Z scroll badge turned up being worn by an OR the die cast examples found on sliders were eyed a bit askance. Indeed the date of that photo highlights the complexities of badges of that era.

As the old saying goes absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence. We still have no photographic evidence of dozens of badges inc. double scroll Nelly, curly scroll Leinster. Only 2 years ago did a picture come to light of the Middx PWPB.

Clearly post WW1 cavalry and the amalgamations is a complex period re badge insignia.
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