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Old 28-04-19, 11:31 AM
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My tray of unidentified British buttons has grown over the years. I am presenting them to the forum hoping for an ID.
Thanking you in advance.

001: dolphin, white metal, 23 mm, Firmin, London & Birmingham
002: it could be a livery button; gilt 25 mm, b/m not recorded
003: I have no idea what beast this is; I guess it is holding a mace, not a German handgrenade, gilt 29 mm, Made in England.
004: monogram letters C.S. in gold and green. flat, Gilt 19 mm, backmark not recorded
005: monogram I.H. (different from Internation Harvester buttons), gilt 24 mm, Dowler, Birmingham
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Old 28-04-19, 11:44 AM
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The next lot of five buttons ...
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Old 30-04-19, 07:25 PM
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Here are 5 more unknown buttons:
15. monogram letters A.L.; Gilt 25, backmark: Special Quality
16. letters U.S.M., Chrome 25 and 21 mm, backmarks: Wm. Dowler & Sons Ltd, Birmingham and Dowler, Birmingham
17. monogram letters L.C., silver plated 17 mm, no backmark
18. a logo(?), chrome 20 mm, backmark: Dowler, Birmingham
21. a mess dress button: crossed axes, SP/Gilt 16, <greek key design>
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Old 30-04-19, 07:28 PM
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Another 5 unknown buttons.
19. D.M. & T.T. Co Ltd, white metal 24 mm, Special Quality
20. D.M.S. & N. Co, white metal 23 mm, Fast Shanks, * * *
22. monogram L.W.R., gilt 25 mm; Pitt & Co, 31 Maddox St, London
23. A.W. & Co, Gilt 25 mm, b/m not recorded
25. L.H.P., brass 19 mm, b/m Superior Quality
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Old 30-04-19, 07:44 PM
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and 5 more
26. castle, gate or church, letters G.R.C., G17, backmark J. Smart, 32 Walbrook (In 2010 it was on the (now defunct) golf buttons website by (the late) John Sagi)
28. monogram O.M.S., chrome 26 mm, b/m Emeralda, Cardiff
(I have searched for 'motor services' e.g. City of Oxford Motor Services, but never found evidence)
29. old english letters or text 'Philorth', gilt 16 mm; Firmin London
31. monogram letters C.T.C., Gilt 14 mm, Buttons Limited <crossed swords>
32. engraved letters O.D.S., gilt 19 mm; no backmark
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Old 01-05-19, 12:51 PM
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You mention that button 26 appeared on a defunct Golf Buttons site so instead of GRC it seems more likely RGC, as in R... Golf Club.

Unfortunately many areas use the Castle or Church as you know, have checked local Clubs to me and the nearest similar is Reigate but the Castle on there arms has only two Towers so no link.

Not much use I'm afraid but enjoying viewing these items.

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Old 01-05-19, 04:55 PM
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I think the black JMT button might be the bus operator Jersey Motor Transport.
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Old 02-05-19, 05:11 PM
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Thank you both for your replies. It is nice to read that the thread is being appreciated.

Simon
Re No. 26: if it is a golf club, then it is R.G.C.
Backmarks on other buttons have James Smart Ltd, 32 Walbrook E.C., but I have not been able to date this company.
Thank you for the suggestion to search on the letters and a castle in a city's coat of arms.

Hoot:
I had found the Jersey Motor Transport as an option. Unfortunately I have no proof.
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Old 02-05-19, 05:39 PM
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Here are 5 more buttons unknown to me.

34. letters M.A.B. (metropolitan asylums board?) (midland agricultural board), black horn, 23 mm; no backmark
35. letters U.B.A., G25 & G17, b/m: Made in England
37. monogram letters G.T.M.I. , gilt 25 mm, Firmin & Sons Ld, London
39. letters L.W.R. or W.R.L., gilt 27 mm, C. & J. Weldon, 130 Cheapside, London
41. letters I.T.D., gilt 20 mm, superior quality
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Old 02-05-19, 09:33 PM
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And 5 more unknown buttons. Some buttons need confirmation, but no luck on most.
42. a shamrock with a five pointed star in the centre leaf, leather 18 mm, no backmark
43. a large building, gilt 19 mm, backmark: treble, gilt
44. a coat of arms with coronet and scroll with text "Honor", gilt 24 mm, Firmin & Sons Ld, London. Looking at its quality it is more military than livery.
45. I came up with: Sans Souci Theatre, Calcutta, India. (1839-1849) It is gilt 14 mm, backmark Ranken & Co. Comments on this ID are most welcome.
47. Barbarian SC, Livingstone, chrome 20 mm, Superior Quality. Much researched, no clue.
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Old 03-05-19, 10:23 AM
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Thank you both for your replies. It is nice to read that the thread is being appreciated.

Simon
Re No. 26: if it is a golf club, then it is R.G.C.
Backmarks on other buttons have James Smart Ltd, 32 Walbrook E.C., but I have not been able to date this company.
Thank you for the suggestion to search on the letters and a castle in a city's coat of arms.

Hoot:
I had found the Jersey Motor Transport as an option. Unfortunately I have no proof.
I, for one am enjoying this thread of interesting buttons and am waiting for any positive identifications to come up so please keep them coming if you don't mind.

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Old 05-05-19, 08:50 PM
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another 5 buttons:
48. monogram A.W.W. (letters in any order), gilt 17 mm, backmark not recorded
49. a QVC, a winged lion of St. Mark, (freemasonry?); mounted Gilt 23 mm, b/m: Hamburger & Co, King St, Covent Garden
50. part of a star and letters T.P., silver plated ball button, 16 mm; no b/m
51. a double headed bird (eagle?), gilt 16 mm; J.R. Gaunt & Son Ld, London Engd
52. QVC over old english letters W.A.S, gilt 14.5 mm; Firmins, London
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Old 05-05-19, 09:05 PM
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5 more:

54. a Q, I guess it is civic, Chrome 30 mm, Pitt & Co, 31 Maddox St. London W
57. a dog or talbot with a collar, chrome 17 mm (the quality is mediocre, well below the quality of a livery button), no b/m
58. an exploding grenade with a running horse, flat, 24mm and 18mm, no b/m. no clue
61. I & I.C.F. or J.& J.C.F. and a QC, 19 mm anodised, no b/m
62. H.A.C. and KC; gilt 19 mm, could this be Honourable Artillery Company?; Firmin, London
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Old 06-05-19, 07:15 AM
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No. 58 shows a design similar to the badge of the Indian army "Grenadiers", the old pre- independence 4th Bombay Grenadiers.
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Button 61 who is the manufacturer please?
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