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Old 08-10-21, 08:29 AM
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Comments please on this Kings Liverpool cap badge. I believe it is the early (circa 1900) ‘unofficial’ type without the apostrophe between the G and S of KINGS which later became the 1926 pattern.

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Old 08-10-21, 08:34 AM
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Also has the continuous twisting on the torse which is another mark of the unofficial pattern.
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Old 08-10-21, 08:53 AM
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‘Foreign Service’ cap badges (unofficial), c1895 - 1926 (cf Liverpool Mus archives)

1st (Gaunt et al) c 1896-26, all ranks.

This badge design was worn by officers and Other Ranks of the 1st Bn – ie FS1. The badge was also worn by the 2nd Bn ORs only – see below FS2 for 2nd Bn officers. There are five Gaunt dies 1A S&G, 1AA S&G adapted, 1B OSD, 1C and 1D OR GM. Die 2 and Die 3 only OR GM, no manufacturers’ names; Die 2 is sufficiently different to the Gaunt series and Die 3 – 3A and 3B are very different to Dies 1 and 2. The distinguishing aspects on all these badges are thecontinuously twisted torse and the absence of an apostrophe on the scroll.
All marked (and unmarked) Gaunt have a flaw on the scroll, lower right of letter N. It was worn by the 1st Bn overseas. It comes in S&G, OSD and BM.



Yours is Die 3 - in my classification (anonymous maker)


Note the long slider worn on the FSH and Slouch.


The design is that later was taken over by firmin for the 1926 regular Pattern

There is another type - ie FS2 which are only officer's badges (S&G and OSD)- the 2nd Bn OR badges wore the BM FS1 !
This design was very close to the unofficial J&Co officer badge - then that design was adopted by Gaunt after they bought out J&Co in 1925 - including their dies !(see my album)


FS1 - then long slider, then FS2
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Old 08-10-21, 09:56 AM
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Peter and Julian,
Thank you both. As you may recall it seems of the type worn by my great uncle Will Lowe a Territorial in 1/7 KLR in this studio portrait circa 1917.

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Old 08-10-21, 10:46 AM
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Yes Tim, I remember your interesting photograph. I've come across this badge in other group photographs [though they have to have good resolution] amomgst various other KLR cap badges!
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Peter and Julian,
Thank you both. As you may recall it seems of the type worn by my great uncle Will Lowe a Territorial in 1/7 KLR in this studio portrait circa 1917.

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That’s interesting. Thanks button.
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http://www.ww1photos.org/photo/g1105...esy-of-terrie/

Another 1st Bn cap badge in use in WW1.
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That design also used for Officers Mess silver menu holders.
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Very nice !!!
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Just acquired this badge, obviously put together but the big question is when ?
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Tim, does it have a flaw next to the G - which it would be Gaunt.
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Peter, I think it is a new contender for the new 1926 Pattern.

Horse is clearly from the 1896 Pattern.
The scroll might derives from the Foreign Service (see above!).

Another badge is a hitherto contender for the 1926 Pattern - in K&K no.2357.

Both examples have have a Gothic script (as all have in the official 10042/1926 Pattern.)
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A couple more pre 1926 badges with an apostrophe.
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