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Old 22-04-10, 09:12 PM
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Question Denbighshire Hussars c1914?

What do you think...........Denbighshire Hussars c1914?

or Wiltshire Yeomanry full brass issue? (I dont mind either way)
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Old 22-04-10, 10:18 PM
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Back in the 1960's I bought the same badge Denbighshire Hussars for 4/6 (23p) in today's money from the curator of a military museum, he had a good knowledge of badges. K&K have this being worn c1917 which would make this an economy issue.
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Old 22-04-10, 10:38 PM
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Gaylor says "Bronzed" but Wilkinson has it as "Brass"...... I think it was always one colour until becoming the Caernarvon & Denbighsire Yeomanry after WW1? My only doubt is the scrolls...... the Wilts Yeo scrolls are normally more horizontal. Wlikinsons book has different scrolls to Gaylors for the DH..... so its hard to conifrm either way? It would be interesting to see a Scanned Pic of the K&K DH badge....... also if its Bz or B in K&K?
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Old 23-04-10, 06:54 AM
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IMO I don't believe in the Wiltshire all brass issue theory. I have read their regtl history and cannot find any evidence in pictures of its use. It could be the bronzed Denbighshire Yeo badge but the feathers and scrolls are different. It has an uncanny rersemblance to the 15th Prince of Wales Civil Service Rifles Bn of the London Regt which was in blackened brass.

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Having worked with the Wiltshire "A" Squadron and been to both their Mess's..... I dont remember ever seeing a full brass badge in their displays. But it might be they simply didnt have the badge for display?

Maybe Gordon has an example ... of a DH badge from the Great War?

Also, there does appear to be a few variations for the POW Badge for the Wilts...... I have pictured examples of very upright scrolls on modern and c1950's badges....... yet "the books" show very horizontal scrolls?
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There are 2 distinct types of badge. In the Regtl history they show the Officers wearing the upright scrolls badge which also has proportionally larger feathers. This is the design worn recently in a/a. The regt seem to have adopted the Offr design for ORs wear after WW2 as did many other Yeo regts.

Prior to his a/a badge the design was the usual bi-metal POW feathers which is the same design (but without a scroll) as the Welsh/Welch regt, 10th Hussars, 3 DG etc. It is also used by several regts as a collar badge. Consequently I do not know of any way of positively IDing a Wilts Yeo badge from a lugged collar or a cap badge that has lost its scroll (unless ther is some residue left there).

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Hi Alan

Jamie (Marway M.) has this badge for the Wilts...... as you say without the scrolls. What date period would you put this at?

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I have seen these before but I cannot find any evidnce of who or when they were worn by. I am not convinced that they have had the scrolls snipped off.
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[COLOR="Blue"]Griff,
Here's my bronzed ORs version for comparison. I know I've got a photo somewhere of them wearing a bi-metal version which I'll upload.
From memory I think you'll find that on the Denbighshire version for the ORs' badges the motto scrolls should be more upright than the Wilts version.
I'll look into this today and see what I can come up with.
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Many thanks Kevin, that confirms it...... my badge is an RWYPWO full brass. Now that the two badges are together you can see the difference in the scrolls, Coronet, Colour and even feathers design (Wilkinson was wrong as he says "Brass", Gaylor was right with Bronze)



I got the badge this morning and its a cracker...... very well defined badge
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Hi Griff

"Maybe Gordon has an example ... of a DH badge from the Great War?"

I'm sorry to say you have put me on the spot! I don't have a WW1 example of the Denbighshire Yeomanry ORs bronze cap badge to put up.

I can offer a badge that is not listed in K&K however by way of compensation.
This is the Officers' No 1 dress Cap Badge in Silver and Gilt. (Maybe you can draw comparisons from the angle of the scrolls.)

Just to add to the confusion over "Three feathers and Scrolls" I thought you should see the last one. It has nothing to do with Denbigh or 15th London (POW) Civil Service Rifles.

This is the badge I wore in 1950 as a member of the Plymouth College Combined Cadet Force!

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Old 24-04-10, 08:15 PM
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Well, I think both DH badges are good..... there is a difference between the Plymouth CCF and the RWYPWO badges.There is a diffrenece between the Two DH and the PCCF in the feather Quils and scrolls.




15th (PWO) London Btn Rifles (Looks like it had a bronze wash colour from the makers?)


I remember wearing PWO feathers not unlike the Wiltshires in my Village ACF in Wales, it was an A/A badge White feathers, scrolls and gold coronet. We changed from the old Welsh Brigade badge to that one.
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There is no benefit in trying to compare the Officers' badges with the ORs for the DH. They are completely different patterns. Please see below for S&G and OSD Bronze examples.
In both cases the motto scrolls are down on the title scroll.
On checking my records I've now remembered where I've seen the reference to the bi-metal ORs, it's in Bryn Owens book with photographs of the sealed pattern card and general photographs.

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Any chance of scanning the book page? It would be good to see the BiM O/R badge design. The more I look at the brass RWY and the fact that Wilkinson says a "Brass" DH O/R version.... the more I wonder really, does K&K have the Brass RWY illustrated?
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15th (PWO) London Btn Rifles (Looks like it had a bronze wash colour from the makers?)


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I think the scrolls of this badge have been bent upwards.
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