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Hi Roy
Great photo, good to see that the boys have come to your rescue. Im going to the sigs museum in about 2 weeks so your photos will follow. Hows the dog going with the cold ? Regards Phil. |
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Hi Phil,
Thanks for that mate. Lillibelle is curled up in front of the fire waiting for Spring..! Cheerio, Roy
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Henk Interested in the lineage of the unit your badge represents? Try: Regimental lineages |
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Thanks Chaps,
You've all really come through on this request. I was a little hesitant about grabbing this 'German' image as it seemed a little 'off' topic for me, however it was such a grand photo of an old Brit classic I took a chance and now thrilled it did. The extra information provided by forum members has really brought this image to life. Cheers, Roy
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Thanks for the close up Roy. I agree it looks like an 8. It can only be a regimental number. (The button that secures the shoulder strap would have his company number on). I can only say that the 8 and the piping around the strap is certainly not white, which was the German branch of service colour for the Infantry. If he was cavalry it should be a golden yellow, but it could just as well be red (artillery, still largely horse drawn at that period)......who knows? Also it occurred to me that just because the number plate links the BSA to a particular registration district, it doesn't mean the photo was taken in that district? It could just be the guy in the photo was in, say, Hamburg, or Berlin, and was attracted to the bike, or knew the owner, and got a snapshot of him on it. I'm no expert but I don't know that the German military shipped in Brit bikes prewar, as they had their own makes - NSU, DKW, BMW, Zundapp, etc? Either way, a lovely photo. clearly, like you, that fella appreciated a good bike when he saw one :-)
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The numbered shoulder strap button - would it be as per the 3R era ones or a different pattern and / or colour?
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Leigh, I've always understood that the numbered buttons for the shoulder strap indicated Company level designations, and were used from the WW1 period through to the end of WW2. Some would be white metal, or painted Feldgrau, and it is possible that Reichswehr examples could have been produced in a gilt finish, but I've always assumed that gilt/gold insignia was reserved for Generals. It's another of those niche subjects that can turn a man to drink.
But the one you show with 41 puzzles me, and it is an assumption that it could be a regimental designation. I am not aware of any German unit that would have had 41 consecutively numbered companies on its strength. For example, a regular WW2 Infantry regiment could consist of 3 battalions, each having 4 companies, and so the highest company number within that regiment would be 12. I suppose further investigation of the 41 button should be directed to one of the wehrmacht forums? |
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I have been told that high numbers, such as this 41. were used by the Hitler Jugend.
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Ah, that's a point, I didn't know what the "41" was although I thought it was army.
Now HJ is mentioned bells are ringing, I'll check a BL Davis book on WWII era German insignia where I think there is a relevant illustration. Edit, I checked "Badges & Insignia of The Third Reich 1933-45" by BL Davis, HJ shoulder straps with numbered buttons are illustrated but the highest numbered button is "12". Last edited by leigh kitchen; 12-02-19 at 09:19 AM. |
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This text has been taken from:
http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/hitler...button-386029/ ... With H.J. the number on the button reflects the number of the Gefolgschaft (a company sized unit) of the Bann. The strap would show the Bann number, the button the Gefolgschaft number of the corresponding Bann. The number is very high, so it would have to be from a huge Bann to have 41 Gefolgschaft. ... There were 6 Obergebiete, 42 Gebiete and 223 Banne. |
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