WOW! (SEM-EDX BADGE ANALYSIS)

[Rockape]

Thank you all for your suggestions.

If there is no-one who can submit a 100% genuine QVC Bays badge for testing, then the study will have to be comparative for each specimen tested. This will enable specimens to be categorised into likely relationships. I can use statistics to show this probability. I would like to to keep this initial study to the QVC Bays as otherwise the workload gets too big and might stagnate due to my own normal workload.

[2747andy]

This one is 100% "Pucker". More than happy to have it as the "Benchmark" as long as it does not get damaged!

Andy

[2747andy]

Originally Posted by wright241

As I provided the badges that are in the album -

I would strongly suggest that the badges I have provided the cavalry project should be be removed as they are obviously not the real McCoy.of the three that I have. I thought I had better take pics of all three. These all originated from Walter Lambert before he passed away. I would strongly suggest that the badges I have provided the cavalry project with should be be removed as they are obviously not the real McCoy. Undoubtedly the legitimacy of the others I have provided will also be questioned - so best to remove them all... Yes?

Of the 3 pairs of pics that I have posted, the "brighter" is the one I sent to Mike and is the one being queried in this post. Of the other two, was has had strengthener pins applied to either side of the crown, the other is just a little dull.

Before submitting them to Mike for addition to the Cavalry Project album I checked the lug fittings and finish on all 3 as "O/R" quality badges and all 3 seemed fine to me. To save any more embarrassment to me and the cavalry forum on badges submitted to the cavalry project, maybe all badges should be reviewed before they get put into the album for a 100% agreement on their authenticity. In the meantime, it might be prudent to get every single cavalry badge that I have submitted to be vetted/assessed for authenticity - remove them all and let someone else make a contribution.
My apologies.

It also looks as if I will have to treat any of Walter Lamberts badges as being dodgy.

Regards, David

All look fine to me!

Andy

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by 2747andy

All look fine to me!

Andy

That's good. The first one of the three is the same as mine, front and back.

[Rockape]

Originally Posted by 2747andy

This one is 100% "Pucker". More than happy to have it as the "Benchmark" as long as it does not get damaged!

Andy

The sample preparation will entail removing the oxidation layer from a small area behind the crown. The re-oxidation will start to return as soon as it is removed but the process is slow. In time the area will be back to normal.

In forensics, 100% pucker doesn't wash with the analyst until proven. It is unlikely because of the age and lack of provenance that anyone will have a benchmark specimen for the Bays. That's not a problem though, as I can still build statistical relationships between specimens tested.

29th April - Surprise surprise the instruments is U/S at the moment. Waiting for a specialist to fix it. Not sure how long that will take.

[lew shotton]

Garry,
Let me have your address and i will get my badge off to you asap.Cheers Garry & Lew

[2747andy]

Originally Posted by Keith Blakeman

That's good. The first one of the three is the same as mine, front and back.

So who's is the badge in the Forum's Cav section? The one with something hanging from the bottom of the "Y"?

Andy

[mooke07]

Hi all,

You may want to go back to my original thread

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...light=analysis

where I used a similar elemental approach to do a comparative analysis of WM and GM badges.

Certainly if the reference set is large enough it will be of interest. One does need to consider that different manufacturers would have used different elemental metal blends and it is not a black and white dating approach.

It is not a bad approach as I originally showed but the degree of statistical variation between known genuine period badges would be the key.

If one had say 20 QVC Bays all known to be authentic then that would be a great start.

I certainly have at best two known to be genuine badges of any particular badge but if members pooled you might get there. But just one badge where a forebear replaced the original one with a badge of a different period and yet the owner truly believes it to be an original badge it will throw the whole study out potentially.

I will await the results with keen interest and welcome the scientific approach, cheers Dean.

[CAM]

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