FiFe & Forfar Yeomanry c1914

[GriffMJ]

Hi All

Does anybody have some "good" examples of the brass & white metal badges from c1908-15........ it a minefield out there....... so many copies and restrikes. I have worked out the fakes..... but I still have not seen a "pukka" badge of either type from this period.

Many thanks in advance.....

[2747andy]

Griff,
here's a nice Wm badge, note the tiny flowers amongst the lower edges of the grass!

Andy

[GriffMJ]

Thats a lovley badge.... I didnt know there was that kind of detail in it. You do see many with the "mantle" broken off (I suppose because of cleaning accidents). An obvious "fake" spot.... is the shield I find..... all the fakes appear to have a large shield out of position...... the other is the "ground" edge between the rear legs.

[2747andy]

Griff,
here's a Brass one that has been altered a few times, i.e. brooched and then has had a slider, lead soldered onto it. It has lost the end of the helmet plumes but still a nice badge (note the absence of flowers and no void between rear legs, but still 100% OK). Also pictured is the bog standard repro, note the dip where the hind legs stand!

Andy

[2747andy]

Griff,
the Wm (F&F) and the Brass (14 BW) are two different (slightly) badges. So it's not a case of the metal being different! 14 BW has un-voided rear legs and no flowers.. Without seeing the back of the Wm badge you have just posted, I would tend to think it's a ringer!

Andy

[GriffMJ]

I am confused by Wilkinson's book...... he has:-

FFY
Page 41:

Fig 187. Brass; slider; 1908-56 (Pattern 1)
Fig 188. White Metal; slider; 1908-56 (Pattern 2..... as your Wm badge)

Pattern 1 is as:-

[2747andy]

That's Wilkinsons' for you, Bloomer is much better on Scottish badges, Wm with slider 1908-58, GM with slider 1917-19.

My simple guide:

F&F - Wm, Flowers and voided hind legs

14 BW - Gm, no flowers and non-voided hind legs!! - Works almost everytime (95%)! lol


Andy