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Buttons - 'greek keys' and my nomenclature.
All button collectors come across non-text backmarks by British manufacturers.
There may be different reasons for using them: - the tailor did not want the button manufacturer's name on the buttons. - the buttons were cheap and the manufacturer did not want his name on them. Most are found on civic service buttons (fire brigades, police, transportation, ambulances). A while ago I started giving them a name. The "hammerkey" matches Firmin dies. I have not managed to link the well known 'greekkey' to a manufacturer. Here is the current lot: |
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Hi btns,
Thanks for showing them. Quite a few I haven't yet found here in Australia. Do you mean you have seen a Firmin die for the "hammer key" mark? Do you know that the "Greek key" is not Firmin, or is there just a complete lack of information at present? Regards, Tony |
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Am I correct in assuming the 'greekkey' is the 3rd one along and the 'hammerkey' No.4?
Cheers, Alex |
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Hi,
Thank you both for your interest. When you hover over the button you get its name. 1. 4starskey 2. circleskey 3. greekkey 4. hammerkey 5. snakekey 6. squarekey 7. star_key I have never seen a back die with these symbols. All matching attempts have been made using the fronts of buttons. I have found Firmin buttons to match the hammer key design. Hammerkey back marks are on British and foreign buttons. Many buttons with a greekkey are high quality maritime and naval buttons, British and foreign. |
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Very interesting and thank you for sharing
There are 2 I have never seen T x |
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Is there any way we can progress this by sharing buttons from our collections with these back marks which may tie down when they were in use?
Rob |
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Is this pattern another unknown type?
Rob |
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This is a great thread, thanks for starting it.
I have a few such buttons. Here is a nice early example with an interesting back design. My dear friend and fellow forum member Roger Milward who we sadly lost not too long ago believed it was possibly by W & R Smith. I will dig out some more when I get the chance. Cheerio, Roy
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I think it qualifies as a 'hidden' manufacturer's key, but I have always assumed it belonged to Edward Armfield. I do not have evidence. Do you want me to add it to the group?
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I think that this is a very good idea.
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Rob |
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Manitoba Regiment 1920-1936 The Gloucestershire Regt 1881-1994 The Black Watch (Royal Highlanders) 1881-1937 -> no longer/not in collection The Green Howards (1903-1951) The Artists Rifles (1914-1936) 13th (County of London) Batallion, The London Regt |
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Do you have a 'Hutch' to go with your 'starskey?
...sorry |
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I am afraid not. The closest I get are Hicks and Starkey.
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Here is the 13th London which is other ranks quality, but is it from the same die as your "A's" or is it "AW's"? Rob |
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