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15-08-21, 02:01 AM
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LIVERPOOL PALS HM SILVER CAP BADGE
hi al
would like your thoughts on this LIVERPOOL PALS HM SILVER CAP BADGE. it looks ok but seems to have a roughish back. maybe file marks? anyway, thanks in advance bc 
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15-08-21, 05:56 AM
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100% genuine - very nice ! The reverse appears rough because it was 'solid cast' - ie the obverse has been cast in a die whereas the reverse is flat. However the loops appear to be in 'gilding metal' whereas the original loops would have been silver.
The design is the crest of the Earls of Derby, "On a chapeau gules, turned up ermine, an eagle, winged, or, preying on a child proper, swaddled gules, in a cradle laced r." SANS CHANGER on the scroll. E&C on left; lion = sterling, leopard’s head = London, t = 1914 on right. (They were also assayed in Chester) The badge was authorised by HM the King in October 1914, made by Elkington & Company, Bham. Subsequent badges were in made in Gilding Metal, also 'solid cast' in late 1914. Also two later issues both struck in GM 1915 and 1917. Last edited by KLR; 15-08-21 at 06:16 AM.
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15-08-21, 07:03 AM
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thanks for the reply
why would you replace the lugs? would both break off? surely silver solded silver lugs to a silver badge be stronger? thanks bc
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15-08-21, 08:24 AM
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Sadly not in it's original condition, it's whole reverse appears to have been messed about with, it may well have been filed, a great shame.
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15-08-21, 10:58 AM
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Maybe it had been converted to sweetheart like so many, and at some point it was re-lugged to return it to 'cap badge' status? Would possibly explain why the rear shows some filing.
Still a nice badge though, all part of its history
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#8
15-08-21, 11:41 AM
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I may be wrong, but I had always thought all 1914 HM badges were lugged North/South, with silver lugs.
This one has East/West lugs, and they don't look like silver, so it has clearly been relugged. Hence some of the filing... As KLR says, it is still a genuine HM badge, and I have seen worse, too. Many of these original badges have been brooched, and not always sympathetically! Tim
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15-08-21, 04:28 PM
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#12
15-08-21, 07:47 PM
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I would certainly be interested to see a single example in it's original condition that did not have NS loops!
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16-08-21, 07:34 AM
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This is an example as manufactured, in it's original state.
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16-08-21, 08:00 AM
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The loops appear to be ??GM - is it a quirk of the colour photograph!?
However the loops here are 'pear shaped' which are on all genuine badges (the silver and the original GM). I've seen this 'crackling' on quite a few silver ones .... I'm not sure why but they are genuine.
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17-08-21, 07:28 AM
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As stated this particular example is in it's original condition from Elkington's, they have thick silver wire loops rather than gilding metal and are very distinctive, the "crackling" was caused by the molten silver becoming solidified, when jewellers engraved many of these badges that was removed, notwithstanding, it is a key feature and something that I like to see upon these badges.
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