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The Gun badge for SNCO
There has been a lively discussion at:
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/fo...pic=223492&hl= regarding a photo of a staff sgt Australian Artillery Great War without a gun badge between chevrons and crown. I would be most grateful if anyone here could add anything. The central question is "were there any circumstances in which such an NCO would not be expected to wear the badge?" |
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Just registered on that forum so will have to wait until I'm accepted but think I can help.
Keith |
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Thank you very much indeed.
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I was just wondering if perhaps acting sergeants didn't wear the gun.
Whoops just noticed he was a Staff Sgt and I would assume even an acting Staff Sgt would have the gun. Last edited by REMEVMBEA1; 09-03-15 at 01:22 PM. |
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This chap has 3 chevrons crown above no gun in between: BQMS I think.
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can we see the pic concerned? I looked at the link but couldn't open the pic bc |
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Thank you: I have just clicked the link and the Photo opened "just like that". I will look into getting it on to this site later.
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The original
herewith
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My opoinion is that he is in the Australian Infantry and he has borrowed a BRITISH cap off a RA man for the photo or its the "Studio" cap.
The Australians didnt have a the crowned gun badge as a cap badge in WW1 so it cant be his. regards
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Simon Butterworth Manchester Regiment Collector Rank, Prize & Trade Badges British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges |
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definitely Australian but has added a british cap from somewhere. btw Abraham Ernest STANSFIELD Regimental number 1500 Religion Church of England Occupation Ironmoulder Address Beach Street, Port Melbourne, Victoria Marital status Single Age at embarkation 28 Next of kin Sister, Miss H Stansfield, 64 Lyon Street, Bolton, Lancashire, England Enlistment date 21 August 1914 Rank on enlistment Gunner Unit name Field Artillery Brigade 2, Brigade Ammunition Column AWM Embarkation Roll number 13/30/1 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A27 Southern on 20 October 1914 Rank from Nominal Roll Private Unit from Nominal Roll 2nd Field Artillery Brigade Ammunition Column Fate Returned to Australia 1 February 1916 Miscellaneous details (Nominal Roll) *Abraham spelt Abram but his national archives say he returned to Australia 28/7/15 http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/Searc...aspx?B=8091989 |
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Well done, badgecollector!
He is wearing leggings, so unlikely infantry. |
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Hi Badgecollector
I can accept that the hat is a photo-prop to enhance the photo. Especially as the badge is in brass, and all the other metal insignia looks dull/oxidised. Also, I recall reading that only the Siege Brigades were allowed to wear artillery hat badges (RAA in scroll) everyone else was to wear rising suns. Unofficially, I don't now. I don't see any difference in badge silhouette or hat shape to say that the cap/badge is a British one as opposed to an Australian one. Am I wrong on this assumption? Also, how did you get to put a name to the photo? The thread from the other forum did not seem to mention a name. All the best Dennis |
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"Abram Stansfield", given as the jpg name of the file attached to the first post on that other thread was probably a pretty good starting point.
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Donny answered the second part of your question. "Abram Stansfield", given as the jpg name of the file attached. as for the badge, I believe this style of badge (gun badge) wasn't introduced into the ADF for wear until the 1930s therefore cant be an Australian badge. im sure there have been threads on here before regarding this. cheers bc |
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Thanks to all contributors.
I will attempt to summarise, please disagree if I get it wrong. Subject may be Abram Stansfield, an Australian who did not achieve senior rank. Jacket is probably that of a RAA staff sergeant, and the lack of a gun badge above chevrons is not cause to disbelieve that. Cap badge [and cover?] is anomalous. [The poor blighter looks awkward, uncomfortable and nervous, as well he might!] |
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