Nonconforming Private Purchase Pegasus

[elwe23]

Very interesting guys thanks. So many variations I'm surprised.
Don't want to start a new thread for this but any ideas if those marked in red could be original ?
Cheers

[Luc]

Originally Posted by tcrown

I'm not a big fan of patches with cotton-liked material glued at the back.

As a rule of thumb, such badges are best avoided. But various original examples exist: Reconnaissance Corps shoulder title, War Correspondents cap badge, 2nd Glider Pilot wings, 43rd Wessex Infantry Division formation sign, cheery type Pegasus badge etc.

[silverwash]

following on from the various comments, herewith the following,

Pegasus as issued, as a pair, embroidered on felt, paste backed. I have a similar pair but with a paper backing ( hiding at the moment )

Pegasus of Italian manufacture ( more than likely ). notice the same weave as the accompanied Carpathian sign. this type of machining is also found associated with other Polish Second Corps insignia and CMF British formation badges, eg: 1st. ARG and 21st.Armoured Brigade.

[elwe23]

Originally Posted by Luc

As a rule of thumb, such badges are best avoided. But various original examples exist: Reconnaissance Corps shoulder title, War Correspondents cap badge, 2nd Glider Pilot wings, 43rd Wessex Infantry Division formation sign, cheery type Pegasus badge etc.

Ok so preferably to avoid as too risky. How did you find about those were original even the this kind of back ? It is super misleading.

[tcrown]

Originally Posted by Luc

As a rule of thumb, such badges are best avoided. But various original examples exist: Reconnaissance Corps shoulder title, War Correspondents cap badge, 2nd Glider Pilot wings, 43rd Wessex Infantry Division formation sign, cheery type Pegasus badge etc.

Thanks Luc.
I consider the cherry type Pegasus apart as by construction the cloth material is not glued on top of the embroidery. In my view, the other patches with the cotton-like material covering entirely the back are at best an indication of late war production. I prefer to stay away from these.

[Mike B]

Not being a specialist Airborne collector (most members will know I mainly collect WW2 Commando) I admire the strength of research in this thread, and have learned a great deal from it.

I have images of a couple of Pegasus badges I would like to share, and would welcome the views of members on them. The yellow in the reverse looks interesting and any thoughts would be welcome.

I hope members do not mind me adding further images to this thread, with apologies if this pattern has been covered already and I have missed something

Mike

[tcrown]

Originally Posted by silverwash

Pegasus of Italian manufacture ( more than likely ). notice the same weave as the accompanied Carpathian sign. this type of machining is also found associated with other Polish Second Corps insignia and CMF British formation badges, eg: 1st. ARG and 21st.Armoured Brigade.

Thanks for sharing. An interesting comparison that leads me to believe these patches were not locally manufactured before the second half of 1944 (earlier, they would have contradicted instructions for removing any distinguishing marks on uniforms worn outside UK).

[tcrown]

Originally Posted by Mike B

I have images of a couple of Pegasus badges I would like to share, and would welcome the views of members on them. The yellow in the reverse looks interesting and any thoughts would be welcome.

Thanks for your nice words and sharing an interesting variant. By construction, it reminds me the cherry patch type, a high-quality production, designed for officers. It seems having used yellowish bobbin return thread. This could also be the result of an oxidation process with the fact that this particular pair has been glued to an album previously.

[elwe23]

Originally Posted by tcrown

Thanks for your nice words and sharing an interesting variant. By construction, it reminds me the cherry patch type, a high-quality production, designed for officers. It seems having used yellowish bobbin return thread. This could also be the result of an oxidation process with the fact that this particular pair has been glued to an album previously.

Yes I agree they look super high quality material, very thick, looks quite rich and classy.

[Mike B]

Thanks tcrown and elwe23 for your thoughts - very much appreciated.
Mike

[Luc]

Originally Posted by elwe23

Ok so preferably to avoid as too risky.

I should have been more precise: they are best to be avoided if you are relative new to collecting badges. After a while you will notice that experience will make you confident enough to buy badges that are not textbook examples.

Mike, love your Pegasus badges. Lovely detail and quality.

[Luc]

Originally Posted by tcrown

the other patches with the cotton-like material covering entirely the back are at best an indication of late war production.

I agree on the 2nd GP wings, these are late 1944 issue. The 43rd Wessex are impossible to date as far as I'm aware but the War Correspondents cap badge and Reconnaissance Corps shoulder title were certainly not of late war manufacture.

[elwe23]

Originally Posted by Luc

I should have been more precise: they are best to be avoided if you are relative new to collecting badges. After a while you will notice that experience will make you confident enough to buy badges that are not textbook examples.

Mike, love your Pegasus badges. Lovely detail and quality.

Thanks Luc. I see what you mean, like in every expert domain. Make sense better start with classic exemples. The non conforming ones are sometime cheaper though as sellers might not known if they are originals.

[silverwash]

definitely not of late war manufacture. attributed to a Border / 1st. Airborne Reconnaissance officer.

[elwe23]

Hi guys,
Just wanted to have your opinions on this one.
It looks exactly like the one Luc posted in #27.
Was it an early one made for officer ? Could it have been worn during Normandy ? Glue back it looks.
Thanks