Fattorini Hallmarked PWO Plumes badge

[mooke07]

Hi all,

I posted this recently under unknown badges but didn't get any takers so am re-posting here as pretty sure it is cavalry or yeomanry and have done more homework on the hallmark. It is a heavy silver badge which is hallmarked at the front in the coronet F&S which I had originally thought was for Firmin and Sons but on further research it is for F Fattorini and Sons Ltd, Birmingham date letter g 1906-7, PWO spread plumes with Ich Dien motto on upswept scroll ends. Measures 51x46mm and has three screw posts - two with original brass U-shaped nuts. I think it is too big to be an NCO's arm badge. It could be a pouch or sabretache badge possibly 12th Lancers, 10th Hussars or 3rd Dragoon Guards. There is a Denbighshire Yeomanry (Hussars) badge shown in Cox 1305 which looks similar.

The Fattorini silver hallmark I have not seen before only as a makers mark on a VTC badge and it is not shown on the Makers Mark section of the Forum.

Any thoughts please, am jet lagged on whirlwind 3 day trip to London so hope I have not goofed yet again on my ID, cheers Dean.

[GriffMJ]

Mooke the DHY badge I think you elude to is the one shown below on the old Flintshire (Maylor) Yeomanry Cavalry Bell top shako..... compared the one you show it is different. The large DHY POWs of the period of the hallmark you quote is also seen on the crossbelt pouch ....silver/gilt (again different to yours).

[mooke07]

Thanks for the DHY badge comparisons Griff. I am favouring a 12 Lancers Officers pouch or sabretache badge at present and shall pursue some lines of enquiry.

Certainly a keeper, cheers Dean.

[Lancer 17]

G'day Dean

Hey man thats a nice badge.

Cheers

Phil.

[mooke07]

Thanks Phil - finding this one locally proved to me that good British badges are still out there even in Australia, cheers Dean.

[fougasse1940]

"...hallmarked at the front in the coronet F&S which I had originally thought was for Firmin and Sons but on further research it is for F Fattorini and Sons Ltd, Birmingham..."
Up until now I was under the impression the maker mark F&S was by Firmin, it would be interesting to hear why your research makes it a Fattorini mark.

Rgds,

Thomas.

[mooke07]

Hi Thomas,

Apology required. The F&S mark for Fattorini & Sons has all three letters set in the one rectagonal tablet with chamfered corners and on further cleaning and a better loop mine is F&S with letter each within a square tablet with chamfered corners which is indeed consistent with Firmin and Sons. Their hallmark for Birmingham is registered from 1882. My apologies and thanks for the correction.

Cheers Dean.

[fougasse1940]

No need to appologise Dean, I've now learned what a Fattorini mark looks like. Also Fattorini didn't make many military badges and to my knowledge no maker marked silver ones?

Rgds,

Thomas.

[mooke07]

Hi again Thomas,

Yes what excited me was the fact that I too thought Fattorini marked badges like VTC ones and a silver hallmarked one would be nice. His silver appears to be flatware like many silversmiths.

All a learning, cheers and thanks again for checking on this one, Dean.