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I have no idea whether a WM Mon Rgt was worn as walking out dress before the war, but I would strongly say that it's possible - knowing about the regs for other battalions.
Anyway, when the RACD took over the provision of TF badges in 1915 they only defined one badge for the Monmouthshire Regiment (without any mention of separate battalions) as gilding metal with vertical shank (ie slider). So it looks as though they all wore that for the duration of the war. In fact in April 1916 10,000 of these badges were ordered by the WO. |
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Julian,
Thank you for clearing that up - it is once again a delight to have some proper primary evidence. Gaylor was incorrect then and the 1st bn would definately have to have worn the all brass version from 1915-22 (if not before hand as well). Alan |
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I have been following this,also, and thanks Alan and KLR for the infos. Now I know what to look for.
Cheers all. Jo
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Alan, Technically the wm version was worn on the 'rifle green' uniform. However, as always care must be taking in ageing these badges as my Mommouth collector contact informs me that he has photographic evidence of the wm dragon being worn after 1922. I will look into this and post a definitive list of dates. I have uploaded my Officers' badges to the Mons on an Album for all who may be interested. http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...hp?albumid=154 Hwyl, Kevin Last edited by 41st; 13-10-08 at 08:41 PM. Reason: Link to album added |
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Yes, I've certainly seen TF badges with loops that I assume were 1908 issue - general instructions often took longer to be implemented by non regulars. The other thing I'd say is that with the notification of new patterns there is often a rider to the effect that existing stocks will be used up first. I note that the ACD resealed the Mon Rgt badge in 1917 (they often resealed the 1915 batch of TF patterns later to their own standard) but I haven't loked up the reference. I would be surprised if the actual badge (GM slider) was different.
A good comparison is the 7th KLR which had all WM in 1908 but in 1915 the ACD declined to produce any for the duration and unless they used up their existing WM ones had to wear regular bm badges. Curiously, I can't find any ref to the resumption of WM 7th Bn after the war, in 1896(1908) or 1926 patterns yet there are photographs of them being worn AND extant badges ! The TF regulations for 1909 refer to all WM for SD - but we've been through that before ! |
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Thanks to Alan and KLR for the last two posts concerning my lugged Monmouths badge. It's hard to tell just how old mine is, but it's a sturdy kind of strike so I'm quite happy to hang onto it. If my camera were working I'd supply a couple of shots!
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Hi Guys,
Piggy backing onto this thread a bit but can anyone tell me when the 1st Battn of the Monmouthshire Regiment was dissoved or amalgamated into another unit. Regards Chris |
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Chris,
It was re-roled after WW1 from Infantry into Artillery (from memory). They were still in existance in WW2 but did not survive beyond that. Alan |
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Thanks Alan, Very interesting bit of information for me. Regards Chris |
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Kevin,
That date would match the TF reorganisation in 1937. TA units were disbanded in 1946-48 and not all were re-raised. Alan |
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Regards Chris |
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