First use of Vertical Shank or Slider fitting

[Rob Miller]

I keep reading posts on the forum quoting 1903 and 1906 as the dates that the rear vertical shank or slider was first used, how definite is this as my QVC Devonshire would seem to suggest an earlier date?

Rob

[Alex Rice]

Were long sliders not originally used for pugaree badges before they became standard on cap badges?
Cheers,
Alex

[cbuehler]

A very interesting anomaly here. I doubt that slider had anything to do with a Pagri fixing. No reference to my knowledge indicates such a badge as this for such purpose. It looks like a typical long slider as the earliest ones were.
The change from QVC to KC did not happen overnight. Could this be a very early example of a slider fixing by a maker that had not yet changed the crown?

CB

[Rob Miller]

All the QVC Devonshire cap badges I have seen so far appear to be from the same dies, and the rose at the bottom of the circlet is very like the ones used by Gaunt, so I had wondered if Gaunt were the only manufacturers for this theoretically short lived badge.