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Old 13-01-22, 04:18 PM
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Default Two Gaels

I have this pair of badges from the exact same die, voided and unvoided. The lugs are the same gauge thinner wire with rectangular feet seen on many earlier badges, which I think may be unique to a particular maker?
I don't know how voiding was achieved if made from the same die as the other, unless they were able to make two identical dies, one voided and one not?
Again, I am of the belief that unvoided Gaels badges were in currency well beyond their supposed obsolescence. I believe this also likely applied to tail up or down as well.

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Old 13-01-22, 04:41 PM
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The badge would be the same if from the same die set, just not having the voiding/piercing operations done on one.
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Old 13-01-22, 10:38 PM
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I don't believe they are from the same die.

Two very obvious and noticeable differences:

The Boars heads are very much different from each other.

The cat on the right hand badge is a lot thinner than that on the left hand badge.

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Old 13-01-22, 11:34 PM
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I don't believe they are from the same die.

Two very obvious and noticeable differences:

The Boars heads are very much different from each other.

The cat on the right hand badge is a lot thinner than that on the left hand badge.

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I agree, for me the first thing I noticed was the serif on the letter "L" is more pronounced on the voided badge.

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Old 13-01-22, 11:40 PM
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It would be nice if you could state the regiment's name in your subject and first post to facilitate searches.
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Old 13-01-22, 11:52 PM
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Well, ba gum, the closer I look on these enlarged photos with my old eyes, I must agree that they are actually not from the same die! Good eyes gents.

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Old 14-01-22, 09:58 PM
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It would be nice if you could state the regiment's name in your subject and first post to facilitate searches.
I tend to agree.

If you searched Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders (until I wrote it here) this thread would not be amongst the results.

However I also appreciate the need for a catchy title and/or humour on occasion to generate interest.

Ultimately so long as the name of the regiment or purpose is included in at least one post within the thread it will register in searches even if it may not be abundantly clear from the title what it contains… but (for me) that’s part of the fun exploring threads.

Re the badges, as stated very similar but not same die.
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Message received; I shall endeavor to post using the proper titles henceforth. To further this, I spent some time closely examining both badges and have determined that the wreath portion is indeed identical to both, only the center, including title and devices, differs.
That, and the placement of the lugs with the same "feet" and exactly the same concavity would indicate that they are from one maker.

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Old 15-01-22, 01:19 AM
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Actually, to achieve a Domed shape Soldiers used brush handles, these had a rounded end, badge placed above - gently tapped with wooden (Let's call it a stave?) This stretched the metal to give a domed appearance, why no damage to badge? could be a thin piece of material used to prevent such, no different to what is still done today.
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Old 15-01-22, 01:27 AM
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Message received; I shall endeavor to post using the proper titles henceforth.
Sorry I didn’t mean to suggest that I think you should use ‘proper titles’, I’m all for some individuality. Found the title of this one intriguing as I’d never heard the A&SH referred to by that name.

But I do think in the text it is worth putting the name of the regiment in a format which can be searched. However, totally up to the poster - it’s their thread after all!

Pleasantly this is a very tolerant forum, I viewed the GWF yesterday and see one of their mods locks threads the minute unidentified photos are deemed not WW1. Dreadful. Thankfully ours are much more convivial.

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To further this, I spent some time closely examining both badges and have determined that the wreath portion is indeed identical to both, only the center, including title and devices, differs.
That, and the placement of the lugs with the same "feet" and exactly the same concavity would indicate that they are from one maker.

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Gaels ?
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A & SH - their badges known as "Mess Tins" back in my day.
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Thanks Leigh.
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Gaels ?
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Yes, Gaels. Way back in the '70s I used to be in a Pipe Band based in Buffalo, NY and Fort Erie Canada. There were no less than four members who had served in the British Black Watch and several others who had served in other Scottish regiments which I now no longer recall. They all referred to the Argylls as the Gaels. Perhaps a nickname now lost in time.

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Presumably "Argylls" spoken with a Scottish accent?
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