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The 1916 triangular female badge is very familiar but look at the one in the dead centre. It has two brass attachments relating to the dates the munition worker served. I am assuming that this is a) A factory addition to the badge b) done after the conclusion of the war as a type of ‘tribute’ or c) simply made by the owner of the badge.
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When Dumdum posted a photo of one last year I thought it was a locally modified badge with the additional date bars added post war . Other OWS badges had ribbons attached with 'date bars' or there was one (probably Ray's) that had a seperate 'date bar' that looped over the buttonhole fitting.



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Hi Lads,

I think an owner modified badge as well, to show service. A nicely done addition, good spot James,

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PS, Ray, if you see this can we get a closer pic of yours?

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Hi Tim , here are a couple of quick 'edits' of the front and back views of the badge.

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Thanks Mike, seems these bars are the same in both, with attachment holes, albeit Ray's look soldiers on, so maybe they were more common than I thought, just not coming up much (that I have seen)

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I wonder if they were both made in a specific city/region ? Like the 'enamelled' Coventry Ordnance Work badges these 'bars' could have been produced by a local jeweller/artisan for a few local workers.

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Thank you for your inputs gentlemen which are both informative and have an intriguing variety of opinion. As I noted, I had never seen the like before.
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I've got one that I picked up 25 years or so ago and sure I posted it in in perhaps one of Peter j's threads a while back now, I doubt they are made by a jeweler and more likely to be made in the ordance works where they came from as they would have had everything there to do the job and for free.
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I've got one that I picked up 25 years or so ago and sure I posted it in in perhaps one of Peter j's threads a while back now, I doubt they are made by a jeweler and more likely to be made in the ordance works where they came from as they would have had everything there to do the job and for free.
I thought about them being "factory" made but if they were added post war a local shop may have cashed in ?

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Other OWS badges had ribbons attached with 'date bars' or there was one (probably Ray's) that had a seperate 'date bar' that looped over the buttonhole fitting.
It was a small Comrades badge , the 'date bar' appeared to be professionally made and was possibly (?) produced for a conference.

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A 1921 example I've seen has had the 'attachment' soldered in place , so it's likely that due to the original 'hook on' fitting the date bar got seperated/lost from the badges and that is why so few exist today.

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Here's my one.
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Very nice !

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I agree with Mike. That is a lovely example. Very nice find indeed.
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After having a close look at the three examples the 'date bars' all appear to be the exact same design. This includes the slight variation in depth of date stamps , the 1916-17 being deeper/sharper than the 1917-18.

If they were "made in the ordance works where they came from" that would mean they are all from the same factory ?

If they were made by a "local jeweller/artisan" then workers from other factories in the area could have them ?

Third alternative is that they were produced by the actual badge manufacturer ?

Also interesting to note that the 'date bars' appear to have been pre-drilled with two sets of holes which could indicate that they were possibly originally made to have more 'date bars' attached ?

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Hi gents,

Yes, my badge with the soldered on bars! I'd toyed with the idea of getting a friend to undo this masterpiece of additional work but have decided that it's had 100 plus years to stay like this so let's leave it as it is.....

I suspect that the soldering was done because those loose bars were probably a tad annoying as they jingled like spurs and got in the way.

Never seen another one until this one pops up and I thought that this was just someone messing around before/ after or during work.

Their function was probably much like "battle bars" on service medals to show that you had really "done your bit".

I believe that I've already posted one of these 1916 badges with someone's name stamped on the back but I'm happy to crawl through the 1916 oddments and post better photos of how these have been altered. For example, I have one with cap badge loops in place of the usual catch and latch.

Check out my past posts for sweetheart versions of this badge, ranging from the professional to the high school metalwork class efforts that probably involved some alcohol....

Just let me know!
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