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Old 28-11-16, 11:27 PM
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Hi Gents,

I have this splendid Boer War period photograph of what appears to be a Yeomanry chap. If possibly I would like to identify the unit and wonder if any forum members recognize the insignia?

The slouch hat badge appears to be on the rosette and the shoulder title may be the best clues but I just can't make it out.

One clue is that the photograph was just on the outskirts of Glasgow - of course this may or may not mean anything.

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Old 29-11-16, 12:27 AM
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Hi Roy,
The badge has a faint resemblance to a wheatsheaf.
Here is some info garnered from the internet:
The Lothians and Berwickshire Yeomanry Cavalry 1888 to 1901
The official titular change was made in 1888. In 1899 the War Office announced the formation of a new force of mounted infantry to be known as the Imperial Yeomanry. Twenty battalions were raised from the various Yeomanry regiments. The 6th Battalion, commanded by Col. Burn, was raised in Scotland and formed from the following: 17 Coy Ayrshire and Lanarkshire Yeomanries; 18 Coy Queen's Own Royal Glasgow Yeomanry; 19 Coy Lothians and Berwickshire Yeomanry; 20 Coy Fife Light Horse and Forfar Light Horse. They sailed from Glasgow on the SS Carthaginian on February 23rd 1901 to take part in the Boer War.
The Lothians and Berwickshire Imperial Yeomanry 1902 to 1908
The Boer War resulted in an increase in serving personnel numbers. B and D Squadrons were recruited from Edinburgh, Mid and West Lothian. A Squadron was recruited from East Lothian and Berwickshire, while C Squadron represented the Border Districts. The expansion also produced a further change in title - The Lothians and Berwickshire Imperial Yeomanry.

Solution to your query may be here somewhere.
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Hi Tinto,

Many thanks for that, food for thought.

I see what you mean about the hat badge having a passing resemblance to the wheatsheaf. Perhaps the way this will be resolved (if it is?) is in a combination between the hat back and the shoulder title. I'm not sure what the Lothians and Berwickshire Yeomanry Cavalry would have worn in regards ST's.

The more I look at the photo the ST looks like it might be two lines? Or is it just my eyes?

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Hi Roy,
Yes, the title is the key. Possibly it is "L&B" but I'm struggling to see that.
Hope a Scottish Yeomanry expert will identify chap.
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Old 29-11-16, 04:13 AM
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Hi Tinto,

Yes, I too am hoping that someone will recognize the insignia. If one is not familiar with a particular badge/s it can be impossible to tell what it is BUT if one is very familiar with a design then with the 'eye of faith' a reasonable identification can be made.

I acquired the photograph due to it being a) a very nice image and b) a splendid image of the Lee-Metford rifle. Any potential ID on the unit would be a bonus and a very nice one at that.

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Old 29-11-16, 04:28 AM
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Hi Roy,
Another guess, could the title read "BYC" for Berwickshire Yeomanry Cavalry?
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The badge on the slouch hat looks like a stringed and possibly crowned, bugle to me.
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The badge on the slouch hat looks like a stringed and possibly crowned, bugle to me.
Yes I see what you mean - any thoughts on a candidate? and if so, how would that line up with a potential shoulder title?

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Well that's a really tricky one to decipher. The cap badge looks like the Queens Own Royal Glasgow Yeomanry in terms of general shape, however, that badge was not around then and the shoulder title would be wrong. As already mentioned the L&B would be a contender as the shoulder title is the correct three character pre-1908 pattern, but I also don't think the letters correspond. The BYC?, did they have a three letter shoulder title? Not one that I know. So unfortunately we are running out of Scottish Yeomanry units. The others have very distinctive uniforms and headgear. On the front of the saddle is there a pouch badge? So an English unit or Volunteer mounted Rifle unit it maybe?

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The slouch hat badge looks remarkably similar in outline to the QOR Glasgow Yeomanry. In 1901 they were named:
Lanarkshire Imperial Yeomanry (Queen's Own Royal Glasgow and Lower Ward of Lanarkshire) . There is no details of badges worn by this unit (that I have seen in reference books) prior to reorganisation to QOR Glasgow Yeomanry in 1908. However, the shoulder title was QOR / GIY. The ST in the photo bears no resemblence to this. My eyes are interpreting numbers not letters.

There is another possibility. The IWM lists the unit buttons with the monogram GYC. Is it possible that the ST has those letters? If so it is a shoulder title not listed in any reference works.
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Well that's a really tricky one to decipher. The cap badge looks like the Queens Own Royal Glasgow Yeomanry in terms of general shape, however, that badge was not around then and the shoulder title would be wrong. As already mentioned the L&B would be a contender as the shoulder title is the correct three character pre-1908 pattern, but I also don't think the letters correspond. The BYC?, did they have a three letter shoulder title? Not one that I know. So unfortunately we are running out of Scottish Yeomanry units. The others have very distinctive uniforms and headgear. On the front of the saddle is there a pouch badge? So an English unit or Volunteer mounted Rifle unit it maybe?

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Hi Bryan,

No pouch badge I'm afraid, just buckles - photo attached of this detail.

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The shoulder straps and collar look to be a different colour which a couple of the Scottish Yeomanry sported. Can you make out any banding on the slouch Roy? Also is there any embellishments on the cuffs; Austrian knots, buttons?

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The slouch hat badge looks remarkably similar in outline to the QOR Glasgow Yeomanry. In 1901 they were named:
Lanarkshire Imperial Yeomanry (Queen's Own Royal Glasgow and Lower Ward of Lanarkshire) . There is no details of badges worn by this unit (that I have seen in reference books) prior to reorganisation to QOR Glasgow Yeomanry in 1908. However, the shoulder title was QOR / GIY. The ST in the photo bears no resemblence to this. My eyes are interpreting numbers not letters.
Another good suggestion, thanks.

I can't quite make out if the ST is one line or two, I keep going back and forth

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Ah, you beat me to the cuff detail! I will check.

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Hi Gents,

I hav zoomed in and attempted 'tweak' the resolution a little - see attached.

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