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Old 06-01-21, 11:09 AM
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Default Bodill, Parker & Co Ltd.

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I would like to add a few maker marked examples to my Suffolk collection, but I am a little dubious about these, and don't really know what to look for. What, for instance, would the verdict be on the Suffolk TF badge, images attached, made it seems, by BP & Co Ltd?
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Old 06-01-21, 11:41 AM
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Default Maker marked sliders

These Suffolk TF badges I think are modern, others may disagree.
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Old 06-01-21, 12:41 PM
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An original badge, very likely of WW1 manufacture.
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Old 06-01-21, 06:51 PM
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Many thanks for your thoughts on this, chaps, however, there is one thing that I have noticed, three of the online dealers that I visit daily, have one of these badges in stock. This would seem to suggest that BP & Co stamped their sliders much more than anyone else, as I can't find three stamped sliders from any other maker, anywhere!
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Old 09-01-21, 09:26 PM
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I certainly wouldn`t buy it. Just poor quality, today makers marks mean very little, they are faked like the badge deliberately to fool the inexperienced.
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Old 09-01-21, 09:46 PM
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The mark is original and the badge is from the BP die which is quite different to any fake Suffolk Regt die. There is no doubt.

Fake BP marks lack the a full stop after the Dís underscore. See posts #6 and #7 here: https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ight=Lambourne

There is a real dichotomy with the quality of BP badges, some like the Norfolk Yeomanry and Royal Irish Rifles are quite good quality whereas others like Liverpool Pals, Suffolk TF, South Staffs, are quite poor quality.

Your Suffolk badge is actually quite a good example of a BP badge, many are found with very poorly struck crowns and wonky scrolls.

Tickerís wonderful research showed Bodill Parker being awarded badge contracts in December 1915, January, February, March, May, August & September 1916 and January and August 1917.

I strongly suspect the differing quality is reflective of manufacturing from different dates.
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Hopefully adding to our knowledge of this maker's badges since Ticker's detective work, I've just come across this one.

Expanding on Luke's comments on die quality, I would tentatively class this badge as average for a WWI produced badge, but not as good as say Gaunt's.
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Hi All,
I would like to add a few maker marked examples to my Suffolk collection, but I am a little dubious about these, and don't really know what to look for. What, for instance, would the verdict be on the Suffolk TF badge, images attached, made it seems, by BP & Co Ltd?
Im not keen on it, the quality is poor in my opinion.
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Do you think it is a fake?

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Im not keen on it, the quality is poor in my opinion.
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Old 31-01-21, 09:18 PM
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Do you think it is a fake?
I wouldn't want it in my collection Frank, im going to say yes its fake. Look at the bottom of the tower and the rounded font, for starters. Look at the distance between the slider and the badge too.
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Old 31-01-21, 09:28 PM
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I wouldn't want it in my collection Frank, im going to say yes its fake. Look at the bottom of the tower and the rounded font, for starters. Look at the distance between the slider and the badge too.
Andy
You are 100% wrong. The badge is genuine.

Not every manufacturer produced Fabergť quality badges. Bodill & Parker, a noted WW1 maker certainly were in a bit of a hurry especially in 1916 when they won badge contracts in January, February, March, May, August & September.
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Old 31-01-21, 09:42 PM
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And it does not have rounded ToysRus letter ends like 1970s fakes.
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And it does not have rounded ToysRus letter ends like 1970s fakes.
This badge is from a different die. And the font is good.
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Old 31-01-21, 10:38 PM
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Can anything be said about the tapering slide? Are they good,? In a certain time period or certain makers?

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This badge is from a different die. And the font is good.
Andy
The badge is not from a different die.

Both badges are from the same die, the BP die. The badge in the opening post is however mis-struck and the photograph is of a lower resolution.
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