British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Recent Books by Forum Members

   

Go Back   British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum > British Military Insignia > General Topics.

 Other Pages: Galleries, Links etc.
Glossary  Books by Forum Members     Canadian Pre 1914    CEF    CEF Badge Inscriptions   Canadian post 1920     Canadian post 1953     British Cavalry Badges     Makers' Marks    Pipers' Badges  Canadian Cloth Titles  Books  SEARCH
 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 18-08-12, 10:39 AM
grenadierguardsman's Avatar
grenadierguardsman grenadierguardsman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 3,285
Default Badge Cleaning

I was hoping that someone could help me, i have a Coldstream Guards Badge which has had the lugs removed. At a later date someone has cemented a couple of crude lugs on it, i have pulled these lugs off but cannot get rid of the cement. I have used brick acid, i have even froze the badge for 24hrs and then poured boiling water on it hoping that the cement would pop off. So any other ideas would be great.
Thanks Andy
__________________
Leave to carry on Sir please.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 18-08-12, 10:45 AM
JimD's Avatar
JimD JimD is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
Posts: 162
Default

Andy

Try some of the wife's nail polish remover, that usually shifts most things I find.

Cheers
Jim
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 18-08-12, 11:08 AM
Phil2M's Avatar
Phil2M Phil2M is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Essex
Posts: 5,995
Default

I would suggest a dremel multi tool, use a grinding disc until you go as close as you can to the badge, then use a brass brush.

You could send it to Dave C?
__________________
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts."
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 18-08-12, 12:53 PM
grenadierguardsman's Avatar
grenadierguardsman grenadierguardsman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 3,285
Default

Good ideas both, i was thinking about a dremmel multi tool. Dave`s help would also be much appreciated.
__________________
Leave to carry on Sir please.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 18-08-12, 01:42 PM
davec2's Avatar
davec2 davec2 is offline
Member 2008-16- Rest in Peace
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Tamworth, Staffs.
Posts: 3,519
Default

Hi Andy,

Sadly, the only way I know of removing all types of epoxy resins etc, is heat and of course you lose the ' patina ' immediately, this isn't an issue if the badge is being re-lugged but ??????

Perhaps a PM to ' magpie ' might shed a different opinion, I don't know if his tricks of the trade differ from mine......

Dave.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 18-08-12, 01:52 PM
Lampwick's Avatar
Lampwick Lampwick is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Brecon Powys by way of Ludlow
Posts: 910
Default

"of course you lose the ' patina ' immediately"
Dave.. can you re-patinate a badge? The fakers seem to have no problems with it. How do they do it I wonder?
__________________
Looking for a North Hampshire 37 Glengarry badge, genuine or place saver.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 18-08-12, 03:33 PM
davec2's Avatar
davec2 davec2 is offline
Member 2008-16- Rest in Peace
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Tamworth, Staffs.
Posts: 3,519
Default

Hi Terry,

The problem with " re-patination " and the fact that the fakers can do it is not strictly correct, most people can tell when a badge has been artificially aged, again sadly, it is the unwary/unknowing who are taken in by these fakers.

Dave.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 18-08-12, 05:19 PM
Rockape's Avatar
Rockape Rockape is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 876
Default

Hi Andy,

If your cement is epoxy resin, I can tell you that it is a combination of organic and inorganic compounds that can be removed by a 50:50 ratio of acetone and water. The acetone is great organic solvent and water removes inorganic species. Mix the acetone and water together and you have a solvent that can remove most unwanted chemical compounds. Use a wooden toothpick dipped in the solvent and apply to the area. The wooden toophpick should not damage the badge and the patina to the other parts of the badge should not be affected. This method is also valid for removing verdigris (copper salts) from your brass badges. As with any method, try the mixture on a dud badge first.

Safety when using the solvent described above: Acetone is flammable so keep away from sources of ignition. It is also mutagenic. Wear safety glasses and gloves at all times.

Let us know how you get on.

Cheers,

Gaz
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 18-08-12, 06:54 PM
grenadierguardsman's Avatar
grenadierguardsman grenadierguardsman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 3,285
Default

Thanks to all, very great-full.
Andy
__________________
Leave to carry on Sir please.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 18-08-12, 08:12 PM
davec2's Avatar
davec2 davec2 is offline
Member 2008-16- Rest in Peace
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Tamworth, Staffs.
Posts: 3,519
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockape View Post
Hi Andy,

If your cement is epoxy resin, I can tell you that it is a combination of organic and inorganic compounds that can be removed by a 50:50 ratio of acetone and water. The acetone is great organic solvent and water removes inorganic species. Mix the acetone and water together and you have a solvent that can remove most unwanted chemical compounds. Use a wooden toothpick dipped in the solvent and apply to the area. The wooden toophpick should not damage the badge and the patina to the other parts of the badge should not be affected. This method is also valid for removing verdigris (copper salts) from your brass badges. As with any method, try the mixture on a dud badge first.

Safety when using the solvent described above: Acetone is flammable so keep away from sources of ignition. It is also mutagenic. Wear safety glasses and gloves at all times.

Let us know how you get on.

Cheers,

Gaz
Cheers Gaz,

Don't we just live and learn ? that has gone straight into my little black book, very informative.......

Hi Terry,

Here is an example of what I mean about artificially aged badges, again it's not my badge and both the owner and myself are aware of the apparent flaw just above the index finger but a quick look at the badge hints at it being OK.

The lugs have very small feet and could be acceptable and they are brazed, it even has a Sharman mark but from the front especially, it doesn't appear to be right, in our opinion we think it has been aged ?? if I'm wrong, well, it's just another case of me suffering from the old " foot in mouth " disease ???

Dave.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg specials 084.jpg (65.9 KB, 47 views)
File Type: jpg specials 085.jpg (67.7 KB, 42 views)
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 18-08-12, 08:29 PM
grenadierguardsman's Avatar
grenadierguardsman grenadierguardsman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 3,285
Default

You`ve got a bloody good eye for detail Dave, nice one.
Andy
__________________
Leave to carry on Sir please.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 19-08-12, 02:51 PM
RMR's Avatar
RMR RMR is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Sandown,Isle of Wight
Posts: 426
Default

see following post.

Last edited by RMR; 19-08-12 at 03:00 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 19-08-12, 02:59 PM
RMR's Avatar
RMR RMR is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Sandown,Isle of Wight
Posts: 426
Default

Araldite type adhesives can be removed by painting the affected area with nitromors and sealing in a plastic bag overnight,my wife has used this trick many times.You can repatinate brass badges with a liquid called tourmaline brown.Roger
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 19-08-12, 03:06 PM
grenadierguardsman's Avatar
grenadierguardsman grenadierguardsman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 3,285
Default

JimD. Your great, i soaked the badge in nail polish when you gave me the idea. I`ve just got in, looked at the badge and the cement flicked off, well chuffed.
Thanks Andy
__________________
Leave to carry on Sir please.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 19-08-12, 05:52 PM
davec2's Avatar
davec2 davec2 is offline
Member 2008-16- Rest in Peace
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Tamworth, Staffs.
Posts: 3,519
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RMR View Post
Araldite type adhesives can be removed by painting the affected area with nitromors and sealing in a plastic bag overnight,my wife has used this trick many times.You can repatinate brass badges with a liquid called tourmaline brown.Roger
Hi Roger,

I hope this finds you well ?

I use ' Tourmaline Brown ' and a gunsmiths' 'Brass Brown ', I feel they are more suited to actually bronzing brass rather than re-patinating ( only my opinion of course ), I have forgotten the number of times that I have tried to bring back the real patination to a badge, only to be asked to clean it off by the owners.

As you can imagine, I have several repaired badges in my own collections and hand on heart, I cannot say that I have managed to fetch a single one back to it's original colour, as I say, this is just my opinion but I'm sure there are a few members who although they were happy with what I did, would still have preferred the original " hue ", so to speak.

There you go mate, I'm not contradicting you but just offering a different opinion. as an example. see photo ?? on the left, a repair and on the right an original, that's what I'm talking about.....

Dave.

PS, Sorry Andy, I've just hi-jacked your thread, not intentionally of course...
Attached Images
File Type: jpg repairs.2. 053.jpg (90.4 KB, 28 views)
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:56 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.