Makers mark - GROVE MFG B'HAM

[wright241]

Not sure whether you have these somewhere, but on the assumption that they arn't in the restrike category, here are 2 pictures from a couple of Royal Warwickshire HG units (Swallow Cars & Morris Minor). Your choice.
david

[Mike]

hi David, thanks for that. have added them. have reassembled the gaunt page as well.

[Mike]

not much info on the gaunt marks regarding dates, or company info, just photos at the moment.

[Alan O]

I am not too sure about the Grove mark. It is very much in my 'suspect' category. The same font type is used on a number of fantasy makers names.

Alan

[wright241]

Originally Posted by Mike

hi David, thanks for that. have added them. have reassembled the gaunt page as well.

Mike,
I have some other interesting makers names and variations. If I don't see them in the tables this evening I will take some pics and post them 2morrow.
david

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Alan Owen

I am not too sure about the Grove mark. It is very much in my 'suspect' category. The same font type is used on a number of fantasy makers names.

Alan

hi Alan, do you know if the company existed, and if so does it have an authentic mark? or is the mark a fantasy?

[Alan O]

Originally Posted by Mike

hi Alan, do you know if the company existed, and if so does it have an authentic mark? or is the mark a fantasy?

Mike,

I don't know whether it existed but I have never seen this mark on anything other than repro badges. It is from the same stable as the WD crow's foot fantasy mark.

Alan

[Mike]

If I recall last time I couldn't find any reference to them in the London Gazette, and there is generally some snippet of info on most of these outfits.

[Mike]

wonder if "Grove Manufacturing" the US crane maker did anything in Birmingham at one time and left some name stamps lying around?

every time I see "MFG" I think of U.S. companies. Not and abbreviation used much in the UK.

[wright241]

Originally Posted by Alan Owen

I am not too sure about the Grove mark. It is very much in my 'suspect' category. The same font type is used on a number of fantasy makers names.

Alan

Alan,
Both of these came from Martin Gregory (Blythe) who also sold me various Northumberland Fusiliers badges which I am very happy with. He is also known to other forum members - who have commented (positively) on the other items on display in the album section.
I would really like to know soonest whether these are considered to be fakes as a) they were bought in good faith as being genuine and b) I did not pay a fake price for them. If possible can you let me know what a "good" Grove mark is?
david

[Mike]

I think what's needed is a Birmingham Company directory/ gazetteer for 1942/3/4/5 to see if this company exists.

these books will be in the Birmingham central library and the British library, but unfortunately I cannot help.


of course it doesn't prove the marks are genuine, but it could suggest they are fantasy.

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by Alan Owen

Mike,

I don't know whether it existed but I have never seen this mark on anything other than repro badges. It is from the same stable as the WD crow's foot fantasy mark.

Alan

Alan,

I have a GviR RASC which has a grove mgf b'ham mark and I'm positive it is genuine. Think I may even have posted a picture on here sometime when I saw the maker wasn't mentioned on the makers mark page.

Found it http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...s+marks&page=4
its quite a late badge as the crown sits proud of the order of the garter, late 40's early 50's perhaps?

Luke

[wright241]

Originally Posted by Luke Halls

Alan,

I have a GviR RASC which has a grove mgf b'ham mark and I'm positive it is genuine.
Luke

Luke,
I have already emailed the person I got these from based on the comments I have received so far. Right now I am not a happy bunny.
Could you do me a favour and email me a largish image of the mark itself. I will blow them both up - which sounds like what I should do to the badges - graphically and see whether the marks are identical or not. If they are, I will apologise to Martin for bothering him about this. Otherwise I am going to have to pay someone a visit. Much appreciated. david

[Mike]

Luke
Found it http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...s+marks&page=4
its quite a late badge as the crown sits proud of the order of the garter, late 40's early 50's perhaps?

I just been looking at that thead you linked to and I did find a reference to the company in the LG (mind playing tricks on me sorry about that)

Name of Company: THE GROVE MANUFACTURING
COMPANY LIMITED.
Nature of Business: BUTTON MANUFACTURERS.
Address of Registered Office: 46 Cherry Street,
Birmingham.
Liquidator's Name and Address: Eric Frederick Lea
James, 46 Cherry Street, Birmingham.
Date of Appointment: 17th December 1962.

By whom Appointed: Members.




chill out now - company existed probably in the right time period- half the battle

[Mike]

I suppose this thread is a good example of why we should pull all the info on makers marks together into one place.