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Help to identify - Royal Navy?
Looking for some help to identify this badge. I'm guessing Royal Navy WW2 but would like to hear other more learned opinions. Thanks all.
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Pre 1952 officers beret badge, Royal Navy
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Help to identify - Royal Navy?
Hi
As previously stated this is a King's Crown Royal Navy officers beret badge. The first berets for RN officers were authorised in May 1945. Initially the beret was only issued to aircrew. The issue of the beret saw the introduction of a special small size 'Beret Badge, Officers (metal)'. This was a reduced scale, two-thirds-sized version of the standard pattern 47 (metal) badge. The badge was given the pattern number 50. It was replaced by a Queen's Crown version in 1952. Pete |
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many thanks
thanks for the replies gentlemen!
Pete very informative and just what I was looking for!!!! |
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FYI, its spelt Dalzel-Job
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Last edited by cman; 08-03-21 at 08:55 PM. |
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My mistake - didn’t check the spelling before posting. Thanks for the correction.
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Help to identify - Royal Navy?
Morning all
I have no idea what officers badges were being worn on berets prior to 1945. I only know that berets and the small metal cap badges were first officially sanctioned for use by Royal Navy officers in May 1945. Berets may well have been worn prior to that date but if they were it was done unofficially. I notice that you refer to the 'green' beret. This was of course awarded for qualifying as a commando and, as such, was not a Royal Navy beret. A beret is not included in the list of army kit to be issued to naval personnel serving with Combined Operations, although officers had to purchase their own Combined Operations clothing. And all the pictures I have seen of Beachmasters and RN Commando officers show them in RN officers caps, albeit sometimes in khaki. Berets were initially only sanctioned for aircrew as they were the safest form of headgear to wear around a busy flightdeck. Pete |
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Thank you Pete for that update.
I have done further research since my last post and everything seems to confirm what you say. Normal RN caps were worn by Beach units, officers and ratings alike. Judging from photographs, it seems that green berets may have been issued to those RN personnel who passed through the Achnacarry Commando Basic Training Centre but were not worn thereafter. However, I attach a photo which contradicts that general rule.....with interesting cap badge! RN officers in more secretive units such as 30 AU probably had more leeway and probably used the larger RN officer’s badges, normally used on their peaked caps, when they wore berets. I would expect the same applied for COPPs officers, if they ever wore berets, but have not researched that point. Last edited by Colin S; 09-03-21 at 01:40 PM. |
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Here's Patrick Dalzel-Job wearing a green beret and 30 Commando/AU insignia
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Is the beret green though? Patrick never passed or attended the commando course, either at Ardintinny or Achnacarry. He did however complete Pre Parachute Selection and the basic parachute course at Ringway with the Canadians!
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Didn't know that.
It doesn't look like a navy blue to me and from what I remember when the idea of reforming 30 Commando was being mooted, 30 Cdo/AU were being touted as a possible model rather than the broader ISTAR remit that it now has. He was touted as an example of the type of RN Cdo officer that the unit would need... |
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I’d assumed it was a green beret because of 30 AU also being called 30 Commando and containing RM Commandos, but it could be a khaki beret that he’s wearing - difficult to tell from a black and white photo.
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