Middlesex Footballers Badge

[Luke H]

As I understand it the Footballers cap badge was commissioned by a dealer who is still with us. Very much within living memory and certainly not the 1920s.

I have never seen Middlesex Footballers cap badge, even a cobbled together one, with age or manufacture matching the 1920s. Certainly I’ve never seen a cap badge of the proportions shown in the catalogue.

The proportions do however match the rare Footballers sweetheart badge sometimes encountered -
https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...light=football

Ditto the Leinsters. You’ll notice the bottom scroll on the Leinster cap badge has the feather tips poking down, on the sweetheart shown and badge in the catalogue the scroll had a flat bottom edge.

It’s possibly just coincidence.

[Hoot]

Originally Posted by leigh kitchen

Post no. 12 - I didnt pick up on the curly scrolls Leinsters on the poster.

Leigh, the poster shown in post 12 relates to sweetheart badge designs and not to cap badges.

[Luke H]

Full poster is shown here https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=74441

[leigh kitchen]

Originally Posted by Hoot

Leigh, the poster shown in post 12 relates to sweetheart badge designs and not to cap badges.

Can we be sure of that?
It would make sense in terms of some of the fanciful designs, not that I've seen them as sweethearts.
So, some fake cap badges such as the Middlesex Footballers have their origins in designs used for sweethearts?
The chart may be just a form of general advertising and not showing examples of any sweetheart or other form of badge produced by or for or just sold by Meer & Jones.

[leigh kitchen]

Originally Posted by Luke H

As I understand it the Footballers cap badge was commissioned by a dealer who is still with us. Very much within living memory and certainly not the 1920s.

I have never seen Middlesex Footballers cap badge, even a cobbled together one, with age or manufacture matching the 1920s. Certainly I’ve never seen a cap badge of the proportions shown in the catalogue.

The proportions do however match the rare Footballers sweetheart badge sometimes encountered -
https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...light=football

Ditto the Leinsters. You’ll notice the bottom scroll on the Leinster cap badge has the feather tips poking down, on the sweetheart shown and badge in the catalogue the scroll had a flat bottom edge.

It’s possibly just coincidence.

Just to clarify - I'm not suggesting that Middlesex Footballers "cap badges" were necessarily produced back in the 1920's but that the design was known back then the poster may have provided the inspiration for the the fake cap badges.
I was unaware that there was a sweetheart of that design.

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by leigh kitchen

Just to clarify - I'm not suggesting that Middlesex Footballers "cap badges" were necessarily produced back in the 1920's but that the design was known back then the poster may have provided the inspiration for the the fake cap badges.
I was unaware that there was a sweetheart of that design.

Ah I see. I think that is very likely with the Middlesex Footballers.

[Hoot]

Originally Posted by leigh kitchen

Can we be sure of that?
It would make sense in terms of some of the fanciful designs, not that I've seen them as sweethearts.
So, some fake cap badges such as the Middlesex Footballers have their origins in designs used for sweethearts?
The chart may be just a form of general advertising and not showing examples of any sweetheart or other form of badge produced by or for or just sold by Meer & Jones.

Several of the odd designs on the poster were in my possession at one time, many years ago, including the ASC with MT scroll, the Footballers and the Berkshire Yeomanry with crown, mine were all lapel badges. I also had the Bedfordshire Yeomanry one with the beefy looking eagle as a lapel badge and which bears a strong resemblance to a bi-metal cap badge shown in a recent post in the mystery section.

[leigh kitchen]

Interesting (but not the "Royal Middlesex" then).

[Sonofacqms]

An interesting thread with references to the many variations on cap badges, Luke's picture of a CWG Leinster head stone is a good point in question, if CWG cannot get the correct pattern of a Regiments cap badge on a grave stone then is there little wonder that commemorative badges, sweetheart brooches and OCA buttonhole badges have variations.

Michael Moore's excellent book "Battalion at War/Singapore 1942" is in my opinion spoiled by the line drawing on the front cover dust jacket of the Cambridgeshire cap badge with the word "REGIMENT" spelled out in full on the scroll, surely the correct pattern of badge could have been found, even the variety with the missing "E".

I am surprised that the fakers have not produced a badge of this design, they have managed to add a small insignificant little "South Africa 1900-02" to a standard cap badge which are currently doing the rounds at various "specialist" salerooms.

Rob

[Hoot]

Originally Posted by leigh kitchen

Interesting (but not the "Royal Middlesex" then).

No, not the "Royal Middlesex".

[dumdum]

Originally Posted by Fatherofthree

Keith, Bollocks should be in his description, preceded by "Load of"

Hope all is well.

Regards

A new abbreviation to replace the well-worn "LOL"...."LOB" (see above for translation....)

[dumdum]

Hi

A post not related to cap badges but medals to the Middlesex Footballers. I possess a single Victory medal to a member of this Battalion. A member of 17th Btn, he was killed 8/8/16.

Probably time to move if on so anyone seriously keen can PM me for details.

[colin 17]

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