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Old 29-09-18, 10:58 AM
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Default RWF - but what exactly

Troops, looking for help to confirm ID on this one please. Believed to be late Victorian Forage Cap. It is similar to others I have seen on the forum but it has the later style of flame rather than the wider pattern usually associated with the Victorian badges, and with a larger PoW design.

Gilt and Silver, and the same size as the standard KK622/623 cap badges although clearly an earlier design.

Can anyone positively ID please?

Many thanks in advance

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Old 06-10-18, 08:04 AM
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Anyone..?
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Old 08-10-18, 03:27 PM
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I have never seen such a badge before, despite insignia of the RWF being a special interest. I will keep a look out and report back if I find anything.
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Old 08-10-18, 04:02 PM
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That is a most interesting little badge, just from the photographs, I would say it has very considerable age to it and is unlikely to be a figment of someone with a wandering mind, although, I certainly do not recall seeing an example like it before.

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Troops, looking for help to confirm ID on this one please. Believed to be late Victorian Forage Cap. It is similar to others I have seen on the forum but it has the later style of flame rather than the wider pattern usually associated with the Victorian badges, and with a larger PoW design.

Gilt and Silver, and the same size as the standard KK622/623 cap badges although clearly an earlier design.

Can anyone positively ID please?

Many thanks in advance

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Old 09-10-18, 01:41 PM
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Hi EY
Looks to me like a Sergeants Glengarry badge. I have seen another some time ago. Will post a pic if I can find it.
Certainly the grenade seems to show some trace of gilt and is of a Glengarry pattern. If I am correct, you have a very rare badge. Regards Jeff.

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Old 09-10-18, 01:56 PM
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Default R.W.Fus Sgts Glengarry 1881- 1897

There you go :

R.W.Fus Sen NCOs glengarry cap badge.jpg

Not exactly like yours EY but very similar.
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Old 10-10-18, 04:17 AM
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Thank you gents, very interesting. Jeff, I had not considered a glengarry badge as it is apparently the same size as the standard grenade badge and I know the OR pattern glengarry is larger.

I only had those two photos for now but I should take delivery of the actual badge this week, and once I have it I can post more images etc.

An intriguing and attractive badge.

Many thanks again

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Old 10-10-18, 07:54 AM
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So a Sergeant actually wore a smaller badge, cap badge sized grenade, on his glengarry?
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Old 10-10-18, 08:59 AM
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Sorry Frank and EY, I had not read your original post properly, mea culpa. Now I am just as puzzled as everyone else ! But you must agree the pattern of the grenade is identical to the old glengarry shape … hence my rather hasty conclusion. However my image (73mm H X 40mm Dia) is definitely a RWF Sgt's Glengarry badge.
With my sincere apologies again for jumping the gun. Jeff

PS: EY Could yours possibly be a Torin cap badge ??

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Is it the halfs of two different badges brazed together?

It will be interesting to see better pics.
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Old 12-10-18, 08:29 AM
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It is interesting to note the wire fittings to the reverse of the plumes, the holes upon the reverse of the grenade through which the wire can be seen and in particular, the piece of metal giving strength to the area between the grenade and flames.
The overall look of an antique badge is also very pleasing.
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Have now taken delivery. Definitely gilt, and a quality finish. Plus I have a lot of confidence in the person who had it before me. Perhaps originally had two lugs on the flames looking at the finish. Overall I like it. A lot... Just wish I knew exactly what it was!!

It is the standard cap badge grenade size. The previous owner's view was Officer's forage cap. Would love to be able to positively confirm that (or the alternative if not)
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Old 13-10-18, 04:18 PM
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Very nice.
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Old 13-10-18, 07:55 PM
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Have now taken delivery. Definitely gilt, and a quality finish. Plus I have a lot of confidence in the person who had it before me. Perhaps originally had two lugs on the flames looking at the finish. Overall I like it. A lot... Just wish I knew exactly what it was!!

It is the standard cap badge grenade size. Their view was Officer's forage cap. Would love to be able to positively confirm that (or the alternative if not)
The officers and staff sergeants (incl WOs after 1881) had a bullion wire cap badge on their forage caps from at least 1850 until the latter started to wear a beret upon the demise of the Welsh Bde. Officers continued to wear forage caps with a bullion badge. Similarly the bullion badge was worn on the officers field service cap (aka side hat). My only thought is whether this badge might have been a sergeants field service cap badge in the 1890s iteration of that style of cap. It might also be something unique to one of the auxiliary forces battalions. I have never seen it’s like before and it’s the second OR style (metal) RWF cap badge for which I have been able to find no explanation.

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Old 13-10-18, 09:54 PM
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Lovely badge Michael. Interesting there appears to be braze hole behind the grenade but the POW feathers are pinned in.

Could it be a bandsmans badge?

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