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Late Victorian Forage cap
Hi All
Are there any uniform boffs out there that can shed some light on this Forage cap? This would be an "undress" item by the looks of it...... note that there appears to have been a band on this cap that is no longer there as the lower half of the cap appears to have been protected from sunlight by its darker shade (just a thought). * That motto has a lived with that cap..... as you can see the top bone ends have dug into the cloth. The loops are specifically off the center line..... so its not an addition. It also gives a bit more credence to the missing band theory ..... that would push the upper half the motto up ....to dig into the melton cloth causing the wear? ** I have also attached undress for c1830 (Officer) and c1844 (Trooper). Description This is a late Victorian era 17th Lancers forage cap. The body is composed of blue melton cloth. The peak is black patent leather with a green skived leather lining. On the front is a silver (S.SIL) 17th Lancers motto. The sweat band is black leather with "J. Compton Sons & Webb" embossed on the left side. The black patent leather chin strap is suspended on two tarnished silver plate 1/2 ball buttons. There is a foul weather cover composed of black oil skin with two silver plate (very tarnished) buttons.
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Cofion gorau Gruffydd M-J www.paoyeomanry.org.uk "A Yeoman from the Stalwart Rural Cavalry" Lechyd da pob Cymro Last edited by GriffMJ; 25-11-20 at 04:45 PM. |
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Griff,
Not a British Forage Cap I am familiar with. The makers werent established until 1922 so not Victorian. Possibly for a British or Commonwealth Police Force? regards
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Simon Butterworth Manchester Regiment Collector Rank, Prize & Trade Badges British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges |
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.... thanks Simon Its an odd one isnt it.
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Cofion gorau Gruffydd M-J www.paoyeomanry.org.uk "A Yeoman from the Stalwart Rural Cavalry" Lechyd da pob Cymro |
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I am thinking railways, postal or some other civilian service.
CB
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Did the Motto have a slider previously ?
Andy
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Leave to carry on Sir please. |
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Or perhaps cast from one that did.
Appears to me from what I can see and information provided by Simon that it’s a made up ensemble of a post 1920s cap, an older looking cover and a spurious motto. Just my opinion. |
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Andy Its a bit of a "feature" ..... take a look https://www.paoyeomanry.org.uk/Motto/NoEars2.htm ..... possibly a construction method nub? Notice that the top silver has had that nub removed and "S.SIL" stamped over it..... but the others below they have not bothered to do so.
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Cofion gorau Gruffydd M-J www.paoyeomanry.org.uk "A Yeoman from the Stalwart Rural Cavalry" Lechyd da pob Cymro |
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Andy
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Leave to carry on Sir please. |
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Maybe a film prop?
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Cofion gorau Gruffydd M-J www.paoyeomanry.org.uk "A Yeoman from the Stalwart Rural Cavalry" Lechyd da pob Cymro |
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it is also the same type as used by the royal hospital chelsea pensioners
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....that could be it Jerry..... an old Lancers CP "undress" (so to speak) cap? The date of the maker and the type of motto fits if its a CP in the late 1920s/30s? That motto has lived with the cap ..... its not a fresh addition by the looks. I realise that the "RH" is the official insignia.....
I have attached a CP playing cards..... so you can see what I mean.
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Cofion gorau Gruffydd M-J www.paoyeomanry.org.uk "A Yeoman from the Stalwart Rural Cavalry" Lechyd da pob Cymro Last edited by GriffMJ; 27-11-20 at 07:14 PM. |
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