Mons Bar

[conijoni]

Before I make a fool of myself would the Forum's experts like to give an opinion as to whether this is an original bar or a copy. Thank you.

[Nozzer]

It's always difficult to tell from a picture, but I would expect the holes to be "tighter" into the corners.

Below is a good one.

Andy

[paj1]

Hi
Dimensions of original clasp should be 31mm by 5mm
the holes should be closer to the corners of the clasp
Julian

[54Bty]

I was told many years ago, "that if you can pass a modern needle through the holes", then it is a copy. Also as the previous post the holes are not in the normal position.

Having written the above I have not seen any modern official replacements.

Marc

[magpie]

Depends on what size needle you use.

[Nozzer]

I have re attached a couple of "Mons" clasps in the past. I used modern needles, however I always use old thread that I have rescued from boot sales etc.

[conijoni]

Thanks for the replies. The bar came in a lot with genuine civilian medals that date to 1912/13. There were also buttons to the 6th Dragoons. Were the 6th Dragoons deployed during these dates?

[conijoni]

Using old thread...now that's a good tip. Must remember that in future.

[paj1]

6th Dragoons France- Flanders 16th Aug 1914

[Nozzer]

Another type of clasp that you will encounter is the slip on type.

These were available from tailors at the time. They are the closest you will get to an official replacement and are quite acceptable.

(apologies for picture quality)

[Nozzer]

Originally Posted by conijoni

Using old thread...now that's a good tip. Must remember that in future.

I shouldn't have said that There will be no old thread left at the boot fairs for me now

[rhodesianmilitaria]

AKA "The Mons Star" and bars.

http://www.northeastmedals.co.uk/bri...s_star_wwi.htm

[Frank Kelley]

Gentlemen,
I've never really worried about these clasps, originals are fine, but what so often happened was a fellow decided to start wearing his trio years after it had been issued, he might have lost his clasp (perhaps his rosettes too) and simply taken his medals to a tailor who mounted them with a "current" available copy clasp, now these can be fifty plus years old.
You certainly see many trios mounted for wear on silk ribbon, but, so often with a "wrong" clasp, but, if that was how the recipient wore his medals, then I have no problem with it.

[leigh kitchen]

Love Mons Stars, I find the "slip ons" perfectly acceptable, I have Stars with copy bars but that's the way it goes, they tend to be the ones that come to me with replacement ribbons.
I want original, but I'll settle for replacement until the day I can find them.
Unlike old copies of badges etc, I do find old copies of this clasp acceptable - depending on whether they were produced when those who earned them would / could have acquired them or whether they were knocked out yesterday.

[Frank Kelley]

I agree, I've always thought of the 1914 Star in exactly the same way as I do with Victorian campaign medals, simply because, it was awarded to single battalions and regiments for a very short period of service and in very small numbers when compared to the 1914-15 Star, moreover, they are named to a particular battalion too, unlike the 1914-15 Star.
They have risen in value over the last few years and even single stars are often quickly snapped up.

Originally Posted by leigh kitchen

Love Mons Stars, I find the "slip ons" perfectly acceptable, I have Stars with copy bars but that's the way it goes, they tend to be the ones that come to me with replacement ribbons.
I want original, but I'll settle for replacement until the day I can find them.
Unlike old copies of badges etc, I do find old copies of this clasp acceptable - depending on whether they were produced when those who earned them would / could have acquired them or whether they were knocked out yesterday.