WW1 Economy Cavalry badges

[cbuehler]

All,
Were there ever any all brass 17th lancers badges produced? I saw what appeared to be perfectly good badge (long tapering slider, good patina and fine strike), but not sure if they made them in the brass economy. Thanks,

CB

[Jibba Jabba]

Ive always thought the cap badge that was worn during WW1 was brass. There was one on eBay a while ago, the only right one Ive ever seen, it came with a bed plate. After double checking my book they should be in guilded metal for WW1, so yes brass.

P.S. This isnt a cap badge, it was refered to by the 17th, 17th/21st and QRL as the 'Motto'.

[Alan O]

Brass ones exist but they are not economy as they were one piece and w/m. They have been widely reproduced. Oddly K&K list the 17st Lancers as having an all brass one but do not describe it as an economy badge.

The standard motto for WW1 and WW2 was white metal.

Alan

[Unknownsoldier]

When I'm home I'll post my small collection of lancers badges, I have IIRC two different brass one and collar dogs to go with them.

Tom

[3748 Hussar]

Hi cbuehler,

21st Lancers Cap Badges (Motto for 17th Lancers) . Not my main collecting interests .

3748 Hussar

[Malcolm Davey]

3748 Hussar have altered your pictures as it hurts my neck looking at the badges side ways,hope this is ok.

Malc

[Saddle tree maker]

According to K&K the 17th's motto is described as ....
" In white-metal. Officer's in silver, also in bronze. An economy issue in bronzed-brass was issued in 1916. "
STM.

[Alan O]

I stand corrected. But Hugh King was not infallible. [B]Bronzed brass[B] does not sound like an economy badge however but a completely difffernt pattern. You don't bronze an economy badge but you might bronze a badge for wear on a particular order of dress - tropical for example? I have only ever seen contempory photos of the regt with wm badges.



Alan

[Saddle tree maker]

I was merely pointing out what it says in the book.
STM.

[cbuehler]

Hmmm. Now what is "bronzed brass"? The one I saw was bright brass and certainly not bronzed in any way. If what I saw was good, they were produced on brass. If it was bad, perhaps not?

CB

[3748 Hussar]

Hi All.

I thought for some reason 21st Lancers thread wrong. I believe there to one of the badges in question on the pic

3748 Hussar

[Alan O]

The problem with this description is that it could well be an Officer's badge and wrongly attributed as an ORs.

Alan

[Jibba Jabba]

If anyone wants to know anything about the badges of any of the regiment that made up QRL please let me know, I did some work for RHQ at Grantham a number of years ago and I know a few people there.

One of the things I wanted to clear up today with Mr Holtby (the curator of the regimental museum as Belvoir) was which badge was worn during WW1 and this is what he said:

As regards the Motto worn WW1, they started off with White Metal cap badges then went to economy issue Brass, it was the same for collar badges.

[cbuehler]

Here is my "brass" motto. The seller unfortunately polished it a bit thinking it would sell better that way! The back shows some of the original patina. What say ye to this?

CB

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by cbuehler

Here is my "brass" motto. The seller unfortunately polished it a bit thinking it would sell better that way! The back shows some of the original patina. What say ye to this?

CB

I'm no expert but the slider's taper looks too harsh akin to the early restrikes, the colour of the metal looks wrong also to me. Afraid I would give it the thumbs down, but that's coming from an infantry collector's point of view.

Luke