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Old 15-10-15, 06:45 PM
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Too many numbers for RN and I think the RM had even less numbers.
I have never understood Navy numbers but it seems quite a few here

I believe the letter prefix is a trade indication once trained
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Old 15-10-15, 11:36 PM
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Could that number be 23894238 ?? If so it is post WW2

Here is a picture of the GLOSTERS in Korea in 1951

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These chaps are wearing the WWII COLD WEATHER / MOUNTAIN TROOPS CAP http://www.brittonatwar.co.uk/viewph...h=57537&phqu=5 troops would somtimes ad fur to these to help against the cold weather regards steve
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Old 16-10-15, 12:39 PM
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can you do some extra pis of the cap with the side folded down
Will do after the weekend!
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Old 16-10-15, 12:59 PM
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The 'Crows Foot' > Broad Arrow (Government owned) was introduced in the 16th Century by the Board of Ordnance who's responsibility it was was to provide supplies to all ships of the Kings Navy, the symbol has stayed in use through various name changes most recent being the War Department and now the MoD, the printed stamps on uniforms etc are a sign it has been through inspection with various letters used WD being the most common, The N above on the cap is for The date,. WD being for British, other Commonwealth countries used different letters to WD such as DD for Australia and NZ for New Zealand with the Broad Arrow
It was also used by the Prison Service
Codes and stock numbers which differed between services where usually on the labels sewn in the uniform item
It has the same status as a hallmark and should not be forged.
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The date letter N indicates it passed inspection in 1943
The /|\ Arrow mark denoted anything Government Property and when with W/|\D mainly the Army.

BOD = Board of Ordnance (till 1855)
WD stands for War Department = Army (or War Office from 1856)
Admiralty = Royal Navy (Also supplied by Board of Ordnance and later Admiralty Board from 1855)
Air Ministry = Royal Air Force (from 1918)
came together as Ministry of Defence (MoD from 1964)
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Could that number be 23894238 ?? If so it is post WW2

Here is a picture of the GLOSTERS in Korea in 1951

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The cap illustrate being worn by the Glosters in Post #12 was 'CAP,EXTREME COLD WEATHER' and had a green canvas shell with fur lining to the same style as the Combat's Cold Weather which replaced Battle Dress (similar to 1960 Pattern) and with a few design changes became the 'Cap Combat Cold Weather' 1960 Patten and latter 1974 Pattern in DPM and worn in Norway by ACE(L) troops.
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The /|\ Arrow mark denoted anything Government Property and when with W/|\D mainly the Army.

BOD = Board of Ordnance (till 1855)
WD stands for War Department = Army (or War Office from 1856)
Admiralty = Royal Navy (Also supplied by Board of Ordnance and later Admiralty Board from 1855)
Air Ministry = Royal Air Force (from 1918)
came together as Ministry of Defence (MoD from 1964)
Was not the Army Council in charge of the Army
It is basically about supply and the different services had separate responsibilities all answerable to the War Office or WD previously the Board of Ordnance now the MoD who were/are themselves answerable to the Treasury
I try my best not to use Wikipedia as it is a bit erroneous
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Old 16-10-15, 03:04 PM
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I have never understood Navy numbers but it seems quite a few here

I believe the letter prefix is a trade indication once trained
It all depends on the era as well. Post computerised pay all male ratings numbers started with D then six numbers then a Null letter for the benefit of the computer the D did not have the previous meaning of "Devonport" as the welfare authority.
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just to add to the confusion B.L.Davies mentions in the Special Cold Climate Clothing and Personal Equipment chapter of his book, The fur cap. It could be part of the Suits, Padded, Cold Weather. the previous owner of the trousers wore the jacket out " mechanic-ing " .
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Sorry to disagree with Steve and others but the cap being worn by The Glosters in the photo is the U.S. "cap, field, pile". These were used extensively by troops of 29 Brigade during the first winter of 1950/51. The wartime ski cap as mentioned by Steve was worn in Korea but later - e.g. by Royal Norfolks in 1952 - and referred to by them as "hats, horrible".
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Old 19-10-15, 07:29 PM
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Another picture as requested. It seems it is made of Barathea wool with a fur crown, and never altered.
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The "crow's foot/broad arrow is correctly called a pheon.
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Another example for sale here with its Hobson label still inside it.

http://www.themilitariadealers.com/shop.php
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