Tyneside Scottish badge - opinions

[Wellington132]

Good evening all,

Mark, Neil and Luke, many thanks for your replies, photos and information. This has been really helpful and has made the subject much clearer.

Regards, Mike

[Wellington132]

Morning all,

Happened across the scarcer version of the demi lion badge on a website in NZ. Looks like the loops have been replaced with different ones but couldn't resist it at a snip at £20 plus postage !

Your thoughts please whether it's correct.

Cheers,

Mike

[Luke H]

Correct but repaired IMO with the original loop. One I spotted long ago but passed on as I’m not a fan of (most) amateur repair jobs.

[Wellington132]

Luke, do you believe the loops are the original ones albeit poorly repaired ?

Mike

[Luke H]

Yes probably. The wire appears a match. You can see the discolouration front and back plus chemical attack from whatever they’ve used and putting heat into it.

[Wellington132]

Ok, cheers Luke.

Mike

[Wellington132]

Afternoon all,

Continuing the TS theme, I thought I'd share my latest acquisition......a HM silver 1916 3rd pattern badge by JR Gaunt & Sons.

Mike

[Luke H]

Very nice indeed Mike.

[Paul Spellman]

Originally Posted by Wellington132

Good morning all,

What do members think about this one being WW1 manufacture.........

I understand this pattern wasn't used post WW1 ??

Cheers,

Mike

The retaining pin has been replaced
Paul

[Wellington132]

Hi Paul,

Just to confirm, is this in reference to the WM 4th pattern in post #17 or the HM silver badge ?
Always keen to learn, if it's the WM one, are you able to post a photo of one with an original pin please ?

Cheers,

Mike

[Paul Spellman]

Originally Posted by Wellington132

Hi Paul,

Just to confirm, is this in reference to the WM 4th pattern in post #17 or the HM silver badge ?
Always keen to learn, if it's the WM one, are you able to post a photo of one with an original pin please ?

Cheers,

Mike

Mike,
Post #17 - sorry, checked again post #12,
Paul

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by Paul Spellman

Mike,
Post #17 - sorry, checked again post #12,
Paul

Not so in my belief.

If you study this type you will find they are unique in the wide array of their fixings and the sheer number found with brass pins and a mix of brass hinges and brass/copper hooks plus conformity suggests they are not all repairs by the same hand. More examples below.

I own 3 pin back examples of this type. One has a steel pin the other two brass. Interestingly the hinge and hook cycle between steel and brass on all of them.

They are also found on loops and hex lugs as per my other two which were close to hand. Clearly there was something going on with this manufacturer when it came to fixings.

In conclusion I’m certain Mike’s badge has its original pin and fixings.

[Wellington132]

Paul,

Apologies, yes my mistake, I meant #12.

I do agree with Luke though in that these badges are found with a combination of steel and brass fixings - it seems inconceivable that all these are not original to the badges ?

Regards,

Mike

[Alan O]

As I understand it the Tyneside Scottish first pattern badges were issued with lugs and many (if not most) had pin and eye replacement. Whether this was for the hat or to be used on the lapel as a mufti badge when the subsequent pattern badges were issued is not clear.

From KLR's research The Tyneside Scottish badge was not issued by the army in WW1 (The Liverpool Pals being the only one provided with a sealed pattern) and it was not until WW2 that is was sealed and issued. I can only assume that the Regtl sponsors bought them or the soldiers themselves bought them privately. This does explain the number of variants including the fittings.

Alan

[Paul Spellman]

So what’s being said
Either the sponsors bulk ordered them or individual soldiers went their own way and ordered them from a multitude of makers with no standard whence the multitude of variants for a badge that wasn’t approved??