BUTTON BOYS/EXPERTS - J JONES REGENT STREET

[BROOKIES]

Does anyone know the dates that this maker was in existence, believe around 1840's but would like confirmation. Back of 43rd Monmouth officers gilt buton

Thanks

Jonathan.

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[Cribyn]

Hello Jonathan

The earliest date I have for 'J Jones 6 Regent St' as a backmark is the 1850s. The backmark used by the company changed later on to 'John Jones & Co 6 Regent St London', so I would say your button is relatively early but whether it goes back to the 1840s I would not like to say.

As I am sure you know, the design on the button of the 43rd did not change when the coatee was replaced by the tunic, so your button could be pre or post 1855. A good rule of thumb is that if the button has a rim then it is post 1855, no rim then it is pre 1855 but this cannot always be relied upon!

Roger

[davidwyke]

Hi Jonathan

That pattern was worn (in gilt) from c. 1830, but I agree with Roger, it's probably 1850's if the backmark is anything to go by.

It's probably a pre 1855 coatee button but may have continued into the post 1855 tunic period for a short time. I have the same with a rim so they did change to rimmed tunic buttons at some time post 1855.

Although that pattern was definitely worn as a post 1855 Officers tunic button it was unofficial, the authorised design being same as the O/R's button.

David

[BROOKIES]

Thanks Roger/David.

Guessed at 1840's as they were mainly in this country during the period as 1830's & 1850's mainly overseas.

Attached is the front of the buttons, its the bottom one.

Thanks

Jonathan

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[davidwyke]

Hi Jonathan

I think they were stationed in England & Ireland before leaving for the Cape Colony c. 1851. The button could predate that but not necessarily so.

Even when they were stationed overseas the buttons would almost always come from the UK, they would only be manufactured locally as a last resort. One difference being overseas might make is that it could take longer for a new pattern to be adopted.

David