is this the east yorkshire regiment in ww2 ??

i have been trying to get a close up of the belt clasp my great uncle is wearing so i know what to look for as i want a nice example to put along with his things , although not the best quality but the outline of the centre emblem can been seen as well as the brass and silver colours ??

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[grey_green_acorn]

Originally Posted by slim-544

i have been trying to get a close up of the belt clasp my great uncle is wearing so i know what to look for as i want a nice example to put along with his things , although not the best quality but the outline of the centre emblem can been seen as well as the brass and silver colours ??

Attachment 55472

I can't make out any detail but here are a couple of possibles:

1. Universal Locket with KC - for the Slade Wallace buff belt
2. PWO (but probably more "modern" than the one on your great uncle's belt worn on amalgamation day!)

Tim

Originally Posted by slim-544

i have been trying to get a close up of the belt clasp my great uncle is wearing so i know what to look for as i want a nice example to put along with his things , although not the best quality but the outline of the centre emblem can been seen as well as the brass and silver colours ??

Attachment 55472

A bit of a drama in identyfying this one.

The right hand buckle in Tim's post is the one worn by all other ranks in 1 PWO, as I previosly mentioned in cast brass, this was the last pattern worn before becoming 1st Bn the Yorkshire Regiment with the regtangular plain brass patten (with staybright cap badge fasterned in the centre) being worn from at least 1980.

As you mention it looks to be bi-metal so unless you can get a better picture I'm stumped, possibly a throw back to the West Yorks band/corps of drums? Or a general service pattern.

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i saw a picture of a similiar centre piece on a ww1 or maybe pre ww1 west yorks WBC which had the lion emblem in silver ? or could it be a horse as the outline does seem similar??

[Toby Purcell]

If it's of any help I am positive it is the General Service version posted by Tim, which came into use in 1870 and was produced with all three crowns. It was used on all valise equipment, the simplified buff leather belt modified from the Slade Wallace equipment and finally on the PVC belts that preceded courlene webbing. A larger version was even produced for the latter.

Thanks for your input Tony !! the centre of the badge in my post seems silver and the outline of the emblem in the center seems out of shape to be that of the WBC you posted , i guess we can never be 100% sure as the picture close up in post 31 is not detailed enough

[grey_green_acorn]

Originally Posted by slim-544

Thanks for your input Tony !! the centre of the badge in my post seems silver and the outline of the emblem in the center seems out of shape to be that of the WBC you posted , i guess we can never be 100% sure as the picture close up in post 31 is not detailed enough

I am now pretty sure that it is a GS Universal Locket with QVC. I can see the base of the crown and the lion's tail in the close up in post 31

Here are a range of pictures of the item some intentionally out of focus for comparison.

Tim

Wait a minute !! your photos have nailed it for me as i just put them side by side on the computer and the crown and lion outline are a match , Awesome effort Tim taking time to shoot these extra photos

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by slim-544

Wait a minute !! your photos have nailed it for me as i just put them side by side on the computer and the crown and lion outline are a match , Awesome effort Tim taking time to shoot these extra photos

I spent so many years polishing (and later storing and issuing) these buckles that I am sure you will understand when I say that I did not need to see the range of images that greygreenacorn provided to be positive about my ID.

thanks for your input Toby

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[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by slim-544

managed to get an example !Attachment 56065

That is the pattern used for the courlene (nylon) web belt that I mentioned earlier, as indicated by the much larger loops. The buff leather and later pvc versions used for the bulk of the period since the buckles introduction in 1870 were significantly narrower.

Prior to 1870 a regimental pattern was issued for both Line and Foot Guards, with officers enjoying a finer quality and more elaborate version that some specialised collectors now seek.

After 1870 only the Foot Guards continued to receive issued regimental versions, with all other units being issued the GS pattern. The size of loop for both remained that suitable for both the buff and brown leather belts, that continue to be issued to some units of British and Dependent Territories.

I am unsure if the wider version that you show was ever provided at public expense, but I do not think it was.

so the example i bought was a private purchase type then Toby for the nylon web belt ! when did that type of web belt come into service ??

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by slim-544

so the example i bought was a private purchase type then Toby for the nylon web belt ! when did that type of web belt come into service ??

From memory (only) it was sometime in the 1980s and there were two versions, one in dark green and one in white. The green version was purchased by the MOD and came through the supply chain in large rolls, which you then cut off according to a man's waist size, the theory being to avoid waste as only as much as each man needed was required. Traditional male and female link buckles were issued in a dark green painted alloy and sliding keepers also made of (narrower) courlene were used to secure the buckle in place. The rough cut ends played havoc with uniform. I do not think that white courlene was issued, but it might have been in small amounts for bands and bugles, pipes and drums. Certainly a lot of the white version were obtained via private purchase as the narrower buff and leather belts were still on issue, as were the pvc versions in white, black and even brown.

Originally Posted by Toby Purcell

From memory (only) it was sometime in the 1980s and there were two versions, one in dark green and one in white. The green version was purchased by the MOD and came through the supply chain in large rolls, which you then cut off according to a man's waist size, the theory being to avoid waste as only as much as each man needed was required. Traditional male and female link buckles were issued in a dark green painted alloy and sliding keepers also made of (narrower) courlene were used to secure the buckle in place. The rough cut ends played havoc with uniform. I do not think that white courlene was issued, but it might have been in small amounts for bands and bugles, pipes and drums. Certainly a lot of the white version were obtained via private purchase as the narrower buff and leather belts were still on issue, as were the pvc versions in white, black and even brown.

you clearly know the subject matter Toby , the hunt goes on then for the type i need but the fun is in the hunt so its not that bad !