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06-12-16, 05:19 PM
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Buttons on Brigadier's KD tunic
Its cold, silent night in port. stand duty for midwatch.
 I just picked up this KD tunics 8months ago, theres named to N.W.Gwatkin. he was a Brigadier in 1943-45 5th Guards Armoured Brigade. Theres shiny buttons on his tunic. But i've never seen before like this one. i think its Royal Tudor rose, same as HMS Duke of York's crest. 'HONI SOIT QUI MAL Y PENSE' Why he didn't get that Coldstream Guards button? Any comments will be appreciated. Choi Last edited by Focuslight; 06-12-16 at 06:18 PM. Reason: Photo misedited 
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06-12-16, 06:07 PM
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06-12-16, 06:35 PM
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Hi Focuslight,
Button looks like that for The Royal Fusiliers. I see by his write-up on Google that he also served in the Royal Household. Cheers, Tinto Last edited by Tinto; 06-12-16 at 06:50 PM. Reason: Added information
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06-12-16, 06:58 PM
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Captain Coldstream Guards and Adjutant at Sandhurst in 1932.
P.B.
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06-12-16, 07:23 PM
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06-12-16, 07:50 PM
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Gwatkin [1896-1971] ended his days as a Knight (GCVO KCMG) and very senior courtier, including a stint as Comptroller in the Lord Chamberlain's office. He was a Guardsman through and through however; those Royal Fusiliers buttons do not compute.
Last edited by Staffsyeoman; 06-12-16 at 07:55 PM.
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06-12-16, 07:56 PM
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Focuslight,
Are all the buttons on the tunic the same ? P.B.
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Interested in all aspects of militaria/military history but especially insignia and history of non regular units with a Liverpool connection Members welcome in my private Facebook group “The Kings Liverpool Regiment ( 1685-1958 )”
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06-12-16, 08:17 PM
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The buttons should be General Staff - Cipher of the Monarch (GVIR) within the garter "Honi Soit Qui Mal y Pense" surmounted by a King's Crown.
If the correct buttons were not available the Royal Fusiliers is a close substitute? Tim
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07-12-16, 02:31 AM
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Thank you. As you said, It seems to be similar to Fusilliers crest.
Choi
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07-12-16, 05:26 AM
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07-12-16, 09:18 AM
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From the photo it looks as if there is a slight mis-match of rank badges, obviously possible but not quite what one would expect from an officer of this rank?
Given that the buttons are wrong, I do wonder whether they and the rank badges have been added and some point to an otherwise 'empty' jacket? Roger
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07-12-16, 10:18 AM
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thanks Roger,
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07-12-16, 11:54 AM
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I am not saying it is the case here but it is not unknown for all insignia to be removed from a tunic and the bare item is then sold on. The buyer then adds whatever he can find to reinstate the tunic.
P.B.
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Interested in all aspects of militaria/military history but especially insignia and history of non regular units with a Liverpool connection Members welcome in my private Facebook group “The Kings Liverpool Regiment ( 1685-1958 )”
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07-12-16, 09:06 PM
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As a KD khaki drill jacket metal badges and buttons would be removed when the garment was laundered.
Tim
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