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Old 29-12-19, 02:34 PM
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Hello, can you tell me if this has anything to do with Sussex please??

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Almost certainly it has, mate.
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West Sussex - 6 Martlets on blue shield.

East Sussex - 6 Martlets on red shield.
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Thanks for your replies. So if it is Sussex related who would have worn this formation sign? Royal Sussex Regt, Cadets etc

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Hi Jerry,

I've seen this badge before but cannot place it.

Similar designs have been incorporated into insignia worn by everyone from cadets to Police, fire, and local government.

Google wasn't my friend on this one, but hopefully someone can positively Id this badge.

KR,

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It is a WW 2 div sign to the West Sussex County Division.
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It is a WW 2 div sign to the West Sussex County Division.
Thanks X111 for confirming it is Sussex related.

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Found a photo.
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Just brought one.

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Undoubtedly Susses related but there is no evidence that it is connected with the Sussex County Division although frequently identified as such.

The attached photo shows it being worn by a Royal Artillery Officer serving with AA Command. As he has the badge below the Command sign it is probably a regimental flash but as yet it has defied positive identification.

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Greetings Gerry.

Re your initial post and piccie.

Have a butcher's on Rod Flood's site, search Sussex and all will be revealed.

Not surprisingly, it ain't cheap.

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What is known so far.

West Sussex County Division : formed on 9 November 1940 by redesignation of Brocforce, this division was redesignated as Essex County Division on 18 February 1941.

Brocforce :

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewto...f9954#p1879204


Could the RA Officer have been attached to WSCD/Brocforce ?

On the site mentioned in the previous post it references a page in a book (Morris Part 1 p26) , if anyone has access to the book could they please let us know what exactly it says/shows.
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The bow and arrow AA Command sign was authorised for the Command's HQ staff in July 1941 and then extended for all those serving in AA Command in November 1942. Even if the Command sign and the Sussex sign were worn together - unlikely as they are both different and unrelated formations - the command sign was not introduced until after the West Sussex Division had been renamed.

My book Badges on Battle Dress illustrates the sign and suggests that it may be a regimental badge which could have been worn with the AA Command sign, the most likely owners being 70th Searchlight Regiment and 109th Light AA Regiment which both had Sussex connections.

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West Sussex County Division : formed on 9 November 1940 by redesignation of Brocforce, this division was redesignated as Essex County Division on 18 February 1941.

Brocforce :

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewto...f9954#p1879204


Could the RA Officer have been attached to WSCD/Brocforce ?

On the site mentioned in the previous post it references a page in a book (Morris Part 1 p26) , if anyone has access to the book could they please let us know what exactly it says/shows.
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Thanks for the info , as a 'novice' I enjoy trying to figure out obscure/puzzling items and appreciate it when those with knowledge/experience point out when I am off track.
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Mike,

Happy to help. As my young grandson used to say "I'm only learning", good advice for us all.

Happy New Year,

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