WANTED - WWII S.A.S. cap badge

[JON188]

iMO I'd have sai top right 2 and bottom Middle 21 arm badges.
Guess what Johan said means though means the 2nd from right top may be a capbadge?
Love the wired version as ive not seen it before.
Any further info on it?
Regards
Jon

[HamandJam]

I am in doubt though on the era the backing is not one I know from ww2. I am tending to post war 50-ties. No exact science so I could be totally wrong of course��.It is a very tricky area to distinct late ww2 from post war badges as the design from the 1944 pattern did not materially change. It is the look and feel that should guide. Cheers, JB

Originally Posted by johanwiegman

Andrew, Jon,

The badge on the Chairborne site is not a 21 sleeve badge, but un uncut or unshaped beret badge. The 21 sleeve badge is a different winged dagger pattern.

Cheers,

Johan

Hello got the wired one from Wallis's auction last month I thought it was a cracking badge so had to have it. It is a good old piece, yours Andrew

[Jack8]

Originally Posted by Hanbut

Hello got the wired one from Wallis's auction last month I thought it was a cracking badge so had to have it. It is a good old piece, yours Andrew

Are you sure it hasn't been aged up?

Jack

[johanwiegman]

hi Andrew,

Pretty much all old SAS beret badges were produced as rectangular patches and cut to a shield shape. This was the case even in the 70-ies and 80-ies. I distinctly remember a military tailor in Aldershot selling SAS beret badges from a drawer full of rectangular patches and cutting them to shape on the spot.

However, the badges you put up in the picture are a very mixed bag of patterns.

The old 21 sleeve patch pattern, mostly turned into beret badges later on when 21 changed their insignia, are top row right and top row middle, plus bottom row in the middle. You can easily distinguish them as the wings are fairly short, similar to the square badge in Steve's post.

The others are all beret badges. The bullion variant I am not too sure about.

Cheers,

Johan

[johanwiegman]

Originally Posted by ASR142

HI Chaps
these few pics might help you out as they where to hand 1st being my 21st SAS arm badge with 2 SAS cap badges You can see where the lines that run down the wings are diffrent and the edge of the feathers are as well hope this helps steve
NOTE NOT FOR SALE !!!

Steve,

I very much agree with that: Middle square patch is 21 sleeve badge. Others are beret badges and the right hand pattern is older than the left hand side beret badge.

Cheers,

Johan

[johanwiegman]

Originally Posted by HamandJam

I am in doubt though on the era the backing is not one I know from ww2. I am tending to post war 50-ties. No exact science so I could be totally wrong of course��.It is a very tricky area to distinct late ww2 from post war badges as the design from the 1944 pattern did not materially change. It is the look and feel that should guide. Cheers, JB

hi JB,

I think I agree on that observation about the beret badge. It is most probably post war and fifties.

Cheers,

Johan

[johanwiegman]

See also one of my earlier posts on 21 SAS insignia

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...=21st+insignia

Many thanks for the superb help. BTW did anyone else spot this. I am convinced this IS NOT 1944 pattern
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SAS-WWII-194...p2047675.l2557
Bit naughty as he is very knowledgeable on SAS insignia

[bewley]

Originally Posted by gb64

There is one on this sight http://www.chairbornemilitaria.co.uk/home.php that may be of interest, always good items IMO on there

Gerard

I think some of the 'genuine WW2' cloth items on his site look a little modern.

[arrestingu]

some badges are unissued stock , all are original though.

[rhodesianmilitaria]

Originally Posted by Hanbut

Many thanks for the superb help. BTW did anyone else spot this. I am convinced this IS NOT 1944 pattern
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SAS-WWII-194...p2047675.l2557
Bit naughty as he is very knowledgeable on SAS insignia

Gee aren't you funny Andrew.
Unlike you I don't sell fakes. Your reputation is rubbish because of what you have done in the past. My reputation is not but feel free to try and sully it.

[Frank Kelley]

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Originally Posted by rhodesianmilitaria

Gee aren't you funny Andrew.
Unlike you I don't sell fakes. Your reputation is rubbish because of what you have done in the past. My reputation is not but feel free to try and sully it.

Still not a WW2 wing,

[rhodesianmilitaria]

Originally Posted by Hanbut

Still not a WW2 wing,

Back your false claim up.