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I have been following this thread with interest but I never see the point in posting for the sake of posting rather than being able to add to the discussion .

I don't think a lack of posts is necessarily a reflection of a lack of interest.

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Question Scouts badge

This Scouts arm badge appears to be embroidered, I have only ever had the G/M type and this is new to me.

Maybe the G/M square plinth badge was worn by other ranks, probably pre Great War, has the Norfolk Regt museum anything on this subject?

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This Scouts arm badge appears to be embroidered, I have only ever had the G/M type and this is new to me.

Maybe the G/M square plinth badge was worn by other ranks, probably pre Great War, has the Norfolk Regt museum anything on this subject?

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The first mention of the scouts badge in actual clothing regulations was in 1909, where the brass badge is described. However, the badge also appeared in worsted cloth and could be purchased from stores like GAMAGES, which soldiers were inclined to do. The badge was officially discontinued in 1921. Info is courtesy of book by Edwards and Langley.
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Old 04-10-15, 09:30 AM
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So it's datable to 1909-21 which is progress. The shoulder titles seem to be the plain Norfolk so he is unlikely to be pre-war TF.

Is the cap pre- or post war? It is not the usual mid war trench caps so I suspect pre war?
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So it's datable to 1909-21 which is progress. The shoulder titles seem to be the plain Norfolk so he is unlikely to be pre-war TF.

Is the cap pre- or post war? It is not the usual mid war trench caps so I suspect pre war?
That pattern of SD cap was introduced in 1905 and worn until replaced in 1915-1916 by two successive patterns of trench cap, although some serviceable stock continued in use when out of the line until a new pattern with a more shovel shaped peak was issued circa 1922-1924. On balance I would say it is a pre-wàr photo. It was not unusual for 2nd and 1st battalions to wear differing insignia as new ideas/patterns were tried out.
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http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ctureid=134769

A good photo of the bronze plinth officers badge in use in 1907.
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http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ctureid=134769

A good photo of the bronze plinth officers badge in use in 1907.
And possibly the gilt variant here?:

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ctureid=134792

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(Nice images, Rob. Thanks for posting).
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Old 06-01-17, 09:01 AM
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I am still of the opinion that this solider is wearing the pagri badge and not an officers badge.
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I am still of the opinion that this solider is wearing the pagri badge and not an officers badge.
I'm not as confident... Britannia's arm and the olive sprig on the man's cap badge seem not to be raised quite so high as on the pagri example (pagri having larger gap between forearm and knee):

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Perhaps its been bent? The rest of the badge seems to match.

There is no square tablet so I don't believe it's an officer's badge pattern
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Perhaps its been bent? The rest of the badge seems to match.

There is no square tablet so I don't believe it's an officer's badge pattern
Very true. A shame is not just that little bit clearer really, Alan.

The trident is bugging me too... the badge on the cap has the trident more closely positioned to the main body of the badge (à la tableted version) and the position of its olive sprig seems more akin to the 'Honolulu' collar badge (size difference notwithstanding). Whereas the pagri example shows the trident located further away from Britannia's shoulder.

I suppose the badge on the cap could conceivably have its tablet partially obscured by the chinstrap? Just a thought.

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Ithink it looks like the pagri too, just a variant or bent.
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Ithink it looks like the pagri too, just a variant or bent.
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Old 06-01-17, 03:08 PM
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I like to work on probability and I believe that its far more probable that the QM's stores had some old ORs' pagri badges in them which were issued out instead of the correct pattern in late 1914/15 when production of uniforms and eqpt failed to keep up with demand. LCpl Read joined the 8th Bn in 1914 so he would have joined at the right time.

The other option is he bought an officers' badge but even in 1915 I reckon the RSM would have been down on him like a tonne of bricks for that.
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