1st (Royal) Dragoons

[GriffMJ]

Dave

There is one thing that bothers me a bit and that is the void shapes under the wings and the plynth.... the example shown in Gaylors book looks more like the later collar badges?

Not that I am casting doubt on your badges....

[Deejayuu]

Hi Griff,
not sure where the differances are you are refering to. The Gaylor i have (3rd edition) has a fairly poor quality image of the badge but other than a differance in the waistline just above the legs i cannot see any other differance. The image i am looking at is on plate 3, row B, third badge from left. Probably change with later editions. I am as convinced as anyone can be that the badges i posted are genuine. I am not convinced that Gaylor did not use repro badges for his illustrations as on a black and white image, half full size only showing the front, how many people could tell the differance?

[1stTankie]

Hi Griff

I have attached photographs, front and reverse, of my 1st Royal Dragoons, 1915-1919, cap and collar badges.

The slider is original to the cap badge, there are no signs of the lugs being removed. To the best of my knowledge the cap badge was never produced for the Soldiers in bi-metal. (I have never seen an officer's one however)
Cap badge size is 32mm x 25mm.

Hope this helps

Best wishes

Gordon

[Tinto]

Hi Griff, and others,
I do not have Gaylor's book but I will post my 1st (Royal) Dragoons badges for comment. The badge on the upper left has no fixtures but there is a faint remnant of something at base of neck. It measures 39x26mm.
Cheers,
Tinto

[Deejayuu]

Hi Tinto,
nice collection of badges. Are the badges on the bottom row on lugs or slider? In other words are they caps or collars?
Cheers, Dave

[2747andy]

Originally Posted by Tinto

Hi Griff, and others,
I do not have Gaylor's book but I will post my 1st (Royal) Dragoons badges for comment. The badge on the upper left has no fixtures but there is a faint remnant of something at base of neck. It measures 39x26mm.
Cheers,
Tinto

From experience I would say that the cap badges with rounded wing tops, as opposed to those with an angle (your top left cap badge!) are almost 100% copies!

Andy

[Tinto]

Hi Dave,
Thanks, all are lugged collars.

Hi Andy,
I wondered about that after viewing your Household Cavalry album. However, the plinth of mine has a distinct edging aound the 105.
Cheers, Tinto

[Deejayuu]

Originally Posted by 2747andy

From experience I would say that the cap badges with rounded wing tops, as opposed to those with an angle (your top left cap badge!) are almost 100% copies!

Andy

Hi Andy,
which period does your comment refer to as the unofficial 1st war badges only came with round topped wings?
Cheers, Dave

[2747andy]

Dave,
the bi metal Cap badges only!

Andy

[Alan O]

This is my one.

for the sake of clarity I believe that there are 5 types of ORs' cap badge.

1. QVC Lion over scroll. (as in Tinto's post)
2. KC version of the above. (as above)
3. All brass regtl approved eagle as shown. Worn in WW1 and also worn in the early years of WW2.
4. Post WW2 bi-metal eagle with a different design of eagle as per Tinto's sliderless example.
5. A/A version of the above.

[GriffMJ]

Hi Alan

Its OK, three "pukka's" below:-





UPDATE 29/June/2014:- The AA below marked "J.R.GAUNT LONDON" is the one that is most likely to have been worn just before amalgamation with the RHG. The Gaunt B'HAM is probably a 1970s restrike. Firmin also made an AA copy of the Gaunt and its not clear when that was made.... but probably post amalgamation?

[1stTankie]

Hi Griff

This is a photograph of the badges worn by the Royal Dragoons prior to amalgamation with the Blues in 1969. (to qoute Eric Morecombe "not necessarily in the right order")

The No 1 Dress Cap Badge was embroidered.

It is interesting to note that the Officers retained the smaller size Collar badges for No 1 and Service Dress when they reverted to the eagle again.

Best wishes


Gordon

[Alan O]

Gordon,

Lovely collection and in the right order unless you wanted a second identical k/c one after the WW1 badge. I was unaware about the embroidered No1 dress badge. Nice to know. I must see if I can find any sealed pattern date for the a/a version.

Alan

[davec2]

Hi Gordon,

As usual, nice one.......me being me ?? can you show a photo of the earlier eagle ( 1915-19 ) next to the later badge please, my OSD's seem very small, so how much is the diffence ??

Dave.

[1stTankie]

Hi Alan

Many thanks, I realise I really need a slidered version of the kc badge. They are relatively common and I will get round to it one day!

I would be most grateful to receive details of the aa edition when you unearth them.

Best wishes

Gordon