The Welsh Reg. Blackened Brass

[Myles]

Would appreciate comments on this recent purchase, good one or bad. It has a very thick slider but the blacking is only on the front of the badge.
Purchased as genuine and looks OK to me but I'm often wrong.

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Thanks
Myles

[LONGSHANKS]

Hi Myles. I think you pointed out the feature I would have also. The back not being blackened. As I understand that this was a factory point of application, it should be. Also I think it should be a two part badge with the scroll attached.

I might be informed I'm wrong, as blackened badges have been hotly discussed recently.

Here's mine. The only reason I went for it was the two part construction and the tapered slider and slight crimp to the top.

What you might have is an economy sprayed by a collector maybe who wanted it to display as the cyclists.

All this is IMO. See what anyone else say's.

Regards
Simon.

[Myles]

Thanks for that Simon, at least I now know the points to look for in a correct blackened brass one.
This one will be going back for a refund.
Myles

[Alan O]

Myles

there is no evidence to suggest that yours is not right. At worst it is a economy badge that has been painted, As such it has some value.

[LONGSHANKS]

Hi Myles

That's OK, but hopefully someone might come in and confirm what I said. So don't be too hasty in sending it back. I might be way off.

Is there a gold colour to the braze point on the slider. I can't see from the pic. If yes, then if you didn't pay too much and don't have it already; the Welsh 1916 economy badges aren't cheap either really. I've seen them go for 30 to 35 pound, not including shipping.

As I said, wait to see if anyone will help you out and confirm my comments.

Cheers

Simon

[LONGSHANKS]

You beat me to it Alan, but confirmed my thoughts

[JerryBB]

Apart from the black paint it appears to be identical to the economy version I have in my collection, which I think is a good one.

[LONGSHANKS]

I would say it looks Ok JB, and same for Myles. Shouldn't take much to clean the black off.

Simon.

[Myles]

Simon, yes there is gold graze to the slider and the badge is of better quality than the other All Brass Welsh Economy ones I have, so I am having second thoughts about returning it; its just not the TF badge I thought it was. Looks like I still need one then.
Thanks to all for the input.
Myles

[wardog]

Hello Simon. I think there are members on the forum for and against the badge you have. You might want to search for old threads. Regards, Paul.

[BROOKIES]

Myles.

If you bought this as a 7th Welsh then keep it as is, during WW1 they did start to run out of the standard blackened badge and at that time c1916/17 they were told that they could blacken a standard badge, Econ was the best to use.

Ta

[JerryBB]

I think the basic badge is fine, though when and why it was blackened is I assume the big question which I can't help with.

[KLR]

Brookies, can you provide a documentary reference for 7/Welsh (or any other unit) "being told that they could blacken a standard badge". It might have implications for many other badges !
Thanks

[LONGSHANKS]

Originally Posted by wardog

Hello Simon. I think there are members on the forum for and against the badge you have. You might want to search for old threads. Regards, Paul.

Hi paul. I usually have someone sweeping in to tell me either way to date. With the thread subject maybe someone will fill me in on these points that make it a fake.
If not, I'll post it on it's own thread and see what the forum say's.

Cheers

Simon.

[BROOKIES]

I was told of this happen by Col Morrey Salmon who was in the 7th Welsh pre WW1 (went from a pte to sgt) then moved to the 16th Welsh where he had some swift promotion.

He was also the chairman of the 7th Welsh O.C.A and I have a letter some where from the OCA will try and get it scanned on.

Ta