A small study of Anodised Fusilier Brigade cap badges.

[3dg]

Brilliant Bess, thank you for your contribution to the thread, especially the RF badges for flame comparison.
Interesting the one with the loops and tabs holding the St George on, I thought the tabs came out a lot later!
Maybe a belt buckle badge as it doesn't have the hackle holder.
Stuck with the clutch pin fastening badge mate, odd one that, it's definitely cap badge size, Leigh might be able to help there
Cheers
Chris

[bess55]

I wondered if it was a Regimental Police brassard badge. Having said that, a lot of effort and expense to go to.

You may well be right there about the badge with loops and bladed St George. Early belt plate badge would make sense if they had them in the early 1960's.

[leigh kitchen]

Originally Posted by bess55

I wondered if it was a Regimental Police brassard badge. Having said that, a lot of effort and expense to go to.

You may well be right there about the badge with loops and bladed St George. Early belt plate badge would make sense if they had them in the early 1960's.

Memory may be at fault, but I think earlier stable belt badges had the round wire type loops.
As far as I'm aware the regiments of the Fusilier Brigade kept their regimental stable belts with leather strap fastenings, the rose and primrose Lancashire Fusiliers belt being adopted as the RRF one but with brass belt plate with anod al badge instead of strap fittings. The LF strap fitted belts continued in wear in RRF by those who owned them, alongside the new belts.

I can't see the clutch pinned badge being worn on the beret, doesn't seem practical, particularly with a hackle.

[leigh kitchen]

Originally Posted by bess55

Gents, at the risk of posting multiple individual badge photos ( it's possible to get a little snow blind when examining multiple badges of the same design), for interests sake and addition to this very interesting thread, attached my Fusilier Bde types and for completeness the badges that seguay into the fine Royal Regiment of Fusiliers.

In addition to these I've added my Royal Fusiliers badges, which until Tim posted his images, it never occurred to me it's the same generic grenade and flames.

I have a round wire badge which has thicker north/south blades and not a rivet. I did consider it a repaired badge ( i.e. once had a rivet) - but no, never had a rivet, no scratch marks where a later bladed St George was added. Additionally - and it isn't clear on photos - the port in the grenade actually looks square not a round hole.

Regards all

Bess

It's not uncommon for cap and stable belt badges to have a square hole for the split tanged crests.

I should have a cap badge somewhere, flat pierced blade lug fittings with the crest mounted on the ball of the grenade by two round wire fittings through a square hole

[bess55]

Cheers Leigh, that makes sense about the looped badge with bladed St George - so perhaps anothere belt plate badge then and presumably a reasonably early one.
I need to keep my eye out for the other round looped Brigade variations now.

The cap badge with pin and clasp is an odd one. Could it be a museum shop purchase thing?

Also, do you know much about the black plastic examples? I have the known 3 examples but I have a wierd 4th type, where a piece of electrical wire is used to fix the badge to the beret and it appears that this is how it was made. Any thoughts?

Bess

[mojob123]

Hi Chris. Great (and interesting) thread! Glad I could be of help. All the best, Mike.

[leigh kitchen]

Originally Posted by bess55

...........In addition to these I've added my Royal Fusiliers badges, which until Tim posted his images, it never occurred to me it's the same generic grenade and flames...........


Regards all

Bess

The Fus Bde badge incorporated elements representing the original three regiments of the Bde, the St George and Dragon of the RNF, the laurel wreath of the LF, the grenade and crown as per the RF, as did the button design (the RF contribution being reduced to just the crown).

[leigh kitchen]

Originally Posted by bess55

Cheers Leigh, that makes sense about the looped badge with bladed St George - so perhaps anothere belt plate badge then and presumably a reasonably early one.
I need to keep my eye out for the other round looped Brigade variations now.

The cap badge with pin and clasp is an odd one. Could it be a museum shop purchase thing?

Also, do you know much about the black plastic examples? I have the known 3 examples but I have a wierd 4th type, where a piece of electrical wire is used to fix the badge to the beret and it appears that this is how it was made. Any thoughts?

Bess

I've not seen that fitting on a black plastic RRF badge before, I suppose it's no more impractical than the other fittings.

The front of that example looks to have a particularly poor finish even by RRF black plastic standards.

That makes 5 different fittings on those badges -the black plastic "spike" and disc, the brass / white metal bar with cotter pin, the flat metal folding tab one, the brass slider one and now that beauty.

[3dg]

Originally Posted by mojob123

Hi Chris. Great (and interesting) thread! Glad I could be of help. All the best, Mike.

Cheers Mike.
Chris

[3dg]

Following on from the OR's badges, are there any differences on the Officers sil/gilt cap and collars?
I've had an interesting discussion with Mike (Mojob123) regarding the NF Officers in Aden and what they wore in their berets.
Mike has a photo, and there is also a photo I found online where the Officers wear a Fusiliers Brigade collar badge as a beret badge, no hackle.
Cheers
Chris

[leigh kitchen]

Yes, officers wore the collar badge in the beret at one time, and no hackle - I don't know when the y started wearing the hackle, perhaps with the formation of RRF.

A photo of members of Support Platoon, "Y" Coy, 1RNF in Aden, Lt Riddick 2nd from the left. He's not wearing a hackle (though of course lack of hackle could be down to a reason not connected to rank) and his beret badge isn't very distinct.

[3dg]

Cheers Leigh
Was that just the NF's or did the other Regiments in the Fusilier Brigade wear the collar?

[leigh kitchen]

Sorry, I don't know.

[mojob123]

Sorry to return to this thread a bit late. I'd intended to post the picture I have that Chris mentioned of a Northumberland Fusiliers officer in Aden wearing the small badge in the beret with no hackle. I've included the whole picture as well - it's interesting as it shows clearly that the mountain out on the peninsula is/was a crater, the town of 'Crater' lying within it. I'm guessing the pic is probably early '67 possibly Easter. Everyone looks happy and relaxed so I'm guessing it's pre the Police Mutiny in June. The whole atmosphere changed after that and we could hear gunfire on a daily basis from Crater, with all the military families being out within a month or so. Mike