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#31
14-01-24, 01:17 PM
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Phot of G San in 1967
Dragging this thread back up to the top with a group photograph of G Squadron, 22 SAS, taken at Hereford in early 1967, and featuring the young Captain Charles Guthrie front row, 4th from left. If you look closely you will see that many, but not all, members of the squadron are wearing the blue-red-blue Household Division flash behind the SAS badge on their berets.
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#32
14-01-24, 01:44 PM
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Also of interest is that in Guards fashion no collar badges are worn except by the WO2 on the front row seated next to Captain Guthrie. He seems to be wearing cloth embroidered crown in wreath rank badges and is perhaps the RQMS? The Squadron Sergeant Major (front row centre) is wearing metal crowns.
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#33
14-01-24, 06:26 PM
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You're correct: that is the RQMS. I cut the names off the picture in the interests of security (though it's nearly 60 years old!). I have a few 22 SAS group photos from this era and this seems to have been around the time when they were transitioning from 'generic' insignia to the SAS dark blue/light blue scheme.
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14-01-24, 09:35 PM
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15-01-24, 07:23 AM
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15-01-24, 09:56 AM
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15-01-24, 06:42 PM
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"Manui dat cognitio vires - Knowledge gives strength to the arm" "Better to know it but not need it than to need it and not know it!" "Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest." Last edited by grey_green_acorn; 15-01-24 at 06:54 PM.
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15-01-24, 07:09 PM
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19-01-24, 01:33 PM
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I would assume that non Guardsmen wearing the ribbon backing would be a no-no, so when they joined the squadron you’d end up with a mixture of Guards troopers with the ribbon backing and the others without the backing, so no uniformity and divisive - one solution is to stop it for all? Capt Westmacott’s SAS service was before the blue-red-blue ribbon was introduced for all Foot Guards units, so it was only the Guards Independent Parachute Company and then G squadron who wore it
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#43
21-01-24, 07:53 AM
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Absolutely Colin, but its also an assumption and you asked if it was 'safe' to assume the practice stopped when non-Guards started joining G Sqn. My assumption, from this and a few other snippets published and non from people who were there are at the time is that it is not a safe assumption.
I'm also not entirely convinced - from direct experience - that 22 SAS is/was an organisation that is particularly hung up on uniformity at any time, even in more formal forms of dress! One example that springs immediately to mind is a picture of a former CO (at the time a Squadron commander) wearing service dress with his SAS beret but collar dogs from his parent regiment at a Remembrance Parade at Hereford.
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06-03-24, 06:19 PM
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