Irish Fusiliers/Munster Fusiliers Cap Badge Question

[MH331]

Can anyone show the front and back of a genuine Irish and Munster Fusiliers Cap Badge? I am looking to buy one but the large amount of restrikes is making me very wary of parting with any cash.

regards and Happy New Year to all

Mark

[Alan O]

Both are faked a lot (£6.50 from Taxicar 19 on ebay) - the fake tiger on the musters is a badly made beast and very fat. I wold always expect brasing holes through the back of the badge.

The RIF are harder as they were worn for much longer and there are various makers types. Mine is 2 part with a brazing hole on the back and a reinforcing bar over the neck.

Alan

[Malcolm Davey]

Hi Mark
Here you go, the Munsters also come with a slider as does the Irish Fusiliers.
On the Munsters look for sweat holes at the back and a slim Tiger at the front.
The Irish Fusiliers look for sweat holes or pins at the back.

Cheers
Malc

[Stanley_C_Jenkins]

Here is my Munster Fusiliers badge. It was bequeathed, rather than purchased, and is genuine. I have posted images of my Irish Fusilers badge in other threads, but if you cannot find it I can always send another view.

[MH331]

Malc, Alan and Stanley thank you very much. I have a RIF Badge ripped from a 'hate belt' so missing its slider, but I am glad to say it conforms to Alans example with the sweat holes and reinforced neck. Anyone know where I can get it repaired?

Thanks again

Mark

[jeanpit-frenchy]

my badge .
they come from my grand father...the tommys give them to him during the WW1 at ZEGERS CAPPEL (small village between DUNKERQUE and ST-OMER)
genuine 100%

[jeanpit-frenchy]

front side irish fusiliers

[John Mulcahy]

I thought for future archives/searching it would be better to keep a seperate thread for the Munsters (moderator merge it it you think otherwise)

Similiar to my thread on the Dubs here are some samples of Glengarry Grenades to the Royal Munster Fusiliers. The single badge is a grenade that I think is good - again from a highly reputable dealer. The photos with two badges in it are, I think fakes.

Note that the badge that I think is good is GM (as against a dull brass for the fakes), has long loops (about 1.5cm long), and has a slightly poorer definition to the flames of the grenade than the fakes.

What I think are the fakes have short loops - and note in slightly different positions.

Otherwise the badges are very similiar. The images in K&K and Gaylor are so poor as to be of not much use in helping tell the genuine ones from the fakes..

This was discussed on another frum some time ago, since when I bought what I believe to be a good example. I would love to have your input and opinions.

[Rockape]

John,

Thanks for showing us some examples here. My first comment is on dies. It seems as though there are different dies at play here. The bottom of your shield is more pointy than my example. Could we assume that different dies were used by different manufacturers and this is just a manufacturer variation?

For me, the giveaway with the Munster glengarry is how much the 3 crowns on the shield protrude from the shield. When comparing to obvious fakes, this feature really stands out.

I hear what you say about long shanks but I have never found the badge in question with long shanks that I like. I had one for years with long shanks having not seen anything better and then a little beauty came along. Here it is:

munster-glengarry-1.jpgmunster-glengarry-11.jpg
(note how the bottom of the shield is not as pointy as your example)

The bottom lug has been replaced on my example but otherwise has the following features that I can differ from others I have seen.

1. The rear of the badge is smooth where it hasn't been struck (unlike the flakiness of other examples) and the striking is crisp.
2. It feels nice and heavy (others I have handled just dont feel heavy enough for a hefty badge).
3. The crowns protruding as mentioned previously.

I don't have enough evidence to refute long or short lugs. Both may have been made and I want to handle even more of these before I can say that one or other is wrong. All I can say is that I own nearly all of the fusilier glengarry badges (minus RF) and they all have short shanks.

Regards,

Garry

[dragonz18]

John,
have to agree with the separate threads notion. So much easier to locate what you are looking for, with a title to the specific Regt. involved.
And seeing again some of those other great items, shown on different forums, here also, for all on this particular forum, to see & discuss ,would be nice as well.

Cheers !
Steve

[Vincunt Evocati]

Hello,

Could you give me your opinion bout thid badge prosed bya french seller

I'am dubitative

Thanks a lot

[jeanpit-frenchy]

difficile de ce faire une idée correct, la photo de l'arrière du badge est tres floue...

une autre photo patrick ?, sinon la face avant me donne une bone impression

la photo de mon munster genuine 100% WW1 pour comparaison

[John Mulcahy]

Front view looks good, shapeof slider looks good. This badge should have sweat holes which you cannot make out from the rear picture. Some pointers below

The Royal Munster Fusiliers forage cap badge has been widely faked. There are 3 main characteristics to tell a genuine badge from the fake.

1.The Tiger in the genuine design is leaner than the fake, especially in the neck area and behind the front legs. Compare the genuine badge below on the left to the fake on the right.
2. The grenade opening on the genuine design is” more substantial” being higher than the fake.
3.The bi-metal badge being pre 1922 should have sweat holes. But there are examples of pinned designs.

Below genuine on the left - a typical fake on the right

[John Mulcahy]

Whereas the poor fakes have a quite "fat" tiger, below is another fake with a slightly slimmer tiger. Note the "flash" around the tiger.

Hello,

here are my RMF badges, they all have nice oval sweat holes but the ones on the left and right have very shiny backs to them whereas the central badge as the same patina front and back, any opinions anyone?

Jonny