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Old 20-01-22, 10:36 AM
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Default Light Infantry Connection SEC Cap Badge ? Essex?

An interesting cabinet card recently acquired showing a young man serving with an unknown Unit which I thought I would share for Forum Members views.

Although not of the best quality the photograph shows he is wearing blackened light infantry bugle style collar badges and buttons and has a similar strung bugle badge in his cap, interestingly under the cap badge are the letters 'SEC', similar in form to a metal shoulder title.

Photographed at the B Barry Studio, Barking Road, London which may have some bearing on the identification of the Unit in question.

An internet search for 'SEC' as a Military Unit has not thrown up anything definite although I wondered if the 'E' could refer to Essex bearing in mind the Studio Location.

Another thing that struck me was the fact that the cap and collar badges have the flared open end of the bugle to the viewers right whilst the majority of Light Infantry badges I have seen face to the left.

Any views or thoughts on identification would be most welcome.

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Old 20-01-22, 10:43 AM
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Presumably the cap bugle is a collar badge or shoulder title / "trade" badge from a facing pair.
The buttons appear to be darkened metal rather than of horn.
Possibly "SHC"?

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Old 20-01-22, 10:44 AM
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I imagine so Leigh as it appears to be identical in shape and size to his collar badges.

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Old 20-01-22, 11:06 AM
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Fascinating photo. The blackened bugle horns are a mystery indeed.
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Fascinating photo. The blackened bugle horns are a mystery indeed.
Has had me stumped for some time now, an interesting mystery which hopefully someone may be able to shed some light on.

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I still cant the initial image
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Old 22-01-22, 10:30 PM
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Young lad, Cadets for the C of the title maybe?
Where is Clifton House, Barking Road? London?
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Old 22-01-22, 10:41 PM
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Don’t believe Clifton House still exists according to Google.

Barking Road runs more or less from Canning Town near Leamouth to East Ham and the river Roding. So Essex as it would’ve been back then as pointed out in the opening post, but very much East End of London now.

What is the collar badge? That may shed some light.

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Old 22-01-22, 11:35 PM
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No idea at all what SEC might stand for. A bugle badge like this usually indicates a Rifle Vols regiment anywhere in the British Empire after 1860 and were made in a variety of sizes and die variations.
Does the badge in the photo have a QVC?
Really fascinating to see the cap badge facing to the right because one of these was illustrated in Grebert's book on pre-federation Australian colonial badges, described as Melbourne Rifles 1864. I do have a facing pair.
An oxidised king's crown version was sold recently on Ebay.
I would be interested in any comments on the attached scans.
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Will have another look at the cap and collar badges under a more powerful glass and report back later today.

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Old 23-01-22, 11:31 AM
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Luke

Having now had an opportunity to view the photograph with a powerful glass all I can say is that the collar badges are the classic strung bugle design in a black or very dark metal and both are identical, facing to the right.

Kingsley

Again under a more powerful glass I can confirm that there is no trace of a Crown on the cap badge, strung bugle with the cords knotted at the top and tassles hanging down within the arch of the bugle.

Interestingly I can just about make out what appears to be a three part shoulder title badge on his epaulettes but they are at such an angle that no detail can be seen unfortunately.

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Hi.
A possible candidate from Ray Westlake's 'A register of Territorial Force Cadet Units 1910-1922' is 'South Essex Company, 17th, The Boys Brigade (East Ham Cadets). Recognised 16.12.12 (Essex) (AO 86/13). Recognition withdrawn by AO 373/13'.
It certainly fits the lettering on the cap and the location of the photographer!
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Andrew,

Many thanks for that, as you say, certainly fits with the badge and location, will do some further digging to see if i can confirm the identification.

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Hi.
A possible candidate from Ray Westlake's 'A register of Territorial Force Cadet Units 1910-1922' is 'South Essex Company, 17th, The Boys Brigade (East Ham Cadets). Recognised 16.12.12 (Essex) (AO 86/13). Recognition withdrawn by AO 373/13'.
It certainly fits the lettering on the cap and the location of the photographer!
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I like this idea. Great info.
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Hi.
A possible candidate from Ray Westlake's 'A register of Territorial Force Cadet Units 1910-1922' is 'South Essex Company, 17th, The Boys Brigade (East Ham Cadets). Recognised 16.12.12 (Essex) (AO 86/13). Recognition withdrawn by AO 373/13'.
It certainly fits the lettering on the cap and the location of the photographer!
Regards, Andrew.
Well done, a perfect fit, BB bugles and all that.

A rare Cadet Corps uniform.

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