More Boonie Badge Idents

[jonnynation]

Hello Gents, im back again for more help with idents on boonie badges - any help much appreciated!

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i suspect one of them is the Brockville Rifles,

[John S.]

Hi;
Top- Brockville Rifles
Middle- Nova Scotia Highlanders
Bottom- Royal Winnipeg Rifles
Cheers,
John S.

[edstorey]

Boonie Badges!!?

The term you are looking for is Combat Cap Badges.

[jonnynation]

Hi John S, many thanks for the idents - very much appreciated.

Ed - as im sure your aware, there are many names floating about for these and boonie badges just happens to be my favourite so i use that... its not something i made up!

im still waiting to find any CADPAT versions - theres a similar retangular PPCLI patch, but other than that nothing yet - was there a concious decision made some where to discontinue the use of insignia on head gear in the field?

[edstorey]

Collector names are silly slang terms made up by people who do not know what they are talking about. We don't make up names when ordering car or computer parts, so informed and knowledgeable collectors should at least make an effort to use the correct terminology when discussing insignia.

The Combat Cap Badges have been discontinued and currently are not issued with the new CADPAT Combat Cap.

[BCONLEY]

Boonie Cap or Boonie Hat is actually not collector slang but how that particular issued item was refered to by the soldiers that wore them, I know that because I actually wore one. It would be correct to state that according to the stock item description the item is a Combat Cap badge, regardless, the type of response above is one of the reasons new members here do not post.

[Phillip Herring]

Originally Posted by jonnynation

Hello Gents, im back again for more help with idents on boonie badges - any help much appreciated!

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i suspect one of them is the Brockville Rifles,

You may want to take a look at the Canadian Post 1953 Project. If you look through it, you might get a feel for the look of combat cap badges compared to regimental badges and at the same time, see that it is a great resource for identifying Canadian badges without the expense of purchasing a reference book that somebody has taken the time and expense to write.
The Post 1920 project is well worth a look as many Canadian badge designs have not changed much over 90 years.

Can we call truce on the "mud slinging"? I've never heard the field cap/bush cap called a "boonie hat" during my 25+ years in the CF. I have heard it called the "cap, ridiculous" by some of my superiors. If I used that term, nobody would know what I was talking about. In my experience "boonie hat" is an American term, and with no disrespect to our American cousins, one of the things that distinguishes our two nations is our use of the English language. Use the Canadian expression. When I made the error of using an American expression, a veteran collector/soldier once corrected me, we have units, the Americans have outfits. Lesson learned.
Ed has put a great deal of work over the years into his research, particularly in the areas of field uniforms and equipment and people have benefitted from that research, including members of this forum.

Phil

[John S.]

Tanker Mike:
Thanks for posting your further examples of combat hat badges.
That subdued Quebec flag one is a head scratcher! Maybe it was done up by some zealot separatist, anticipating that it would quickly replace the Candadian flag currently seen on ALL cadpat uniforms worn by Quebec based military units, or???? (fill in the rest!!).
Cheers,
John S.

[jonnynation]

Tanker Mike, nice selection of badges, many thanks for posting!

Philip, regarding your comment on the books, i do find them expensive indeed, and almost impossible to find second hand. Also, good luck finding any in libraries around where i live. I have been collecting for a number of years and have a couple of reference books, but if i was to go out and buy books that i thought would be useful (and none of them ever seem to agree!), i would never be able to afford to buy any insignia at all - and then what would be the point?

That said, i have recently scanned all of my boonie badges, and would be happy to forward copies of the images to you for that post 53 project, if you would like them?

[jonnynation]

I have this one amongst my collection which i can not seem to identify, it must be missing from the -post 53 collection? Any help with ident much appreciated!

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[Pylon1357]

Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment

[Phillip Herring]

Originally Posted by jonnynation

I have this one amongst my collection which i can not seem to identify, it must be missing from the -post 53 collection? Any help with ident much appreciated!

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Here is the image in the Canadian post 1920 Project.
This is why I suggest books. If a collector is serious about collecting, they need to educate themselves on their subject.
And please, I don't need the peanut gallery chiming in to tell me how arrogant or "forum unfriendly" I am by suggesting that people make the effort to learn about their chosen subject.

Phil

[Michael Dorosh]

Originally Posted by Phillip Herring

Can we call truce on the "mud slinging"? I've never heard the field cap/bush cap called a "boonie hat" during my 25+ years in the CF. I have heard it called the "cap, ridiculous" by some of my superiors. If I used that term, nobody would know what I was talking about. In my experience "boonie hat" is an American term, and with no disrespect to our American cousins, one of the things that distinguishes our two nations is our use of the English language. Use the Canadian expression. When I made the error of using an American expression, a veteran collector/soldier once corrected me, we have units, the Americans have outfits. Lesson learned.
Ed has put a great deal of work over the years into his research, particularly in the areas of field uniforms and equipment and people have benefitted from that research, including members of this forum.

Phil

I work in clothing stores for one of our local reserve regiments, and have been in the position for approx. the last 10 of my 25 years of service. One of my duties has been issuing the combat cap badges. I have to admit - I've never heard the old combat cap referred to as a "boonie hat" though I have no doubt it may have been on occasion. Certainly no one I have ever talked to referred to the badges themselves as "boonie hat badges" so I wasn't quite sure what the thread would be about when I saw the list, though an educated guess meant I wasn't surprised.

Not a big deal one way or another, but there is a certain utility in using the correct names for things, if only to facilitate communication - that is, after all, why they were given names to begin with. A true "boonie hat" was an item of gear - by my limited understanding - worn by U.S. servicemen in Vietnam as part of their jungle uniform, and was one of the reasons this bit of slang migrated north, either to refer to our "Robin Hood" style caps, or the U.S. field caps that many purchased and wore in the field as a substitute.

Collectors often come up with their own names for things, as do media types (we all know what a "Hummer" really is and it has nothing to do with the HMMWV, or "Hum-vee") but - and I think this may be the only really serious point - often, use of that slang potentially identifies the user's knowledge of a subject as shallow - which has the disadvantage of making him a mark for con-men and those who seek to take advantage of him.

These are naturally generalities. Some experienced collectors use "collector's slang" because it is easier, or they know their audience will simply understand it better. But I suspect an inexperienced collector making an effort to use correct terminology will be treated better by a vendor or another collector, than an experienced collector using the "silly" terms. He'll find others have more time for him, make better deals with him, and answer more of his questions over the long haul.

For what it is worth.