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Divisional insignia in WW1
Hi
Would divisional insignia, like cloth shoulder patches, been worn in battle in WW1? Thanks Colin
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Colin,
In brief yes. Cloth Divisional and regimental patches grew in variety and complexity from about 1916 onwards. regards Mark |
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Cheers Mark!
Colin
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I know very little about cloth insignia. Are there any sites or books that members could recommend for information on cloth insignia worn during WW1?
Thanks Colin
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by Mike Chappell in the Osprey Men-at-Arms Series,this one dates back to 1986 but still a good source of basic informations with 8 pages in colours. Also, there is the "The British Soldier in the 20th Century, Service Dress 1902-1940,also by Chappell, from Wessex Military Publishing, 1987. Not strictly on badges and insignias but some WW1 SD illustrations are shown. Jo
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FULL-SET-O...item1c3ebe5de0 Tim
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Thanks for the advice, gents!
Cheers Colin
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have to agree with jo on the first book,a good basic book to start with.The 2nd book i have not read so cant comment philip |
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The book Mike Jackson mentions - Waring Identification Pamphlet No2 - is a superb reference but original copies are extremely difficult to get hold. However, the Military Heraldry Society are slowly republishing these superb references - strictly for members only. There is a whole series of these extensive works, No1 is available, No2 may be out now - if not it must be close to completion. The series covers insignia from across the world -the first two cover British items - illustrating and describing in detail hundreds of items. Others will know more than me about the scope of the total work. I believe there are a dozen or more volumes in total.
The link to the Military Heraldry Society is as follows: http://www.militaryheraldrysociety.com/founder.html For colour illustrations - I would agree, Cigarette Cards provide a very useful and extensive source. Our father educated my brother and I with these before we were old enough for school. Kings and Queens of England, Natural History - and of course any number of Military subjects - insignia, uniforms, VC winners etc - a truly great contemporary source. Mike |
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Colin also try the The Long Long Trail Website (aka Great War Forum) search the threads and you will find multiple photos of insignia in wear and some examples in members collections.
regards Mark |
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Thanks for your suggestions and input, Philip, Mike and Mark!
Much appreciated. This is new territory for me, so very glad for the feedback Cheers Colin
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Great War - Formation Signs
Another excellent reference is the book - "Divisional and other Signs" - collected and illustrated by Capt V Wheeler-Holohan, 12th London Regiment - published John Murray, Albermarle Street, W1 1920.
John Murray - the publisher, was also Lt Col John Murray DSO - so the author was, as they say, pushing at an open door when it came time to get his work published. Mike |
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This is what members of the 55th (West Lancashire ) Division were wearing on the backs of their service dress jackets from March 1916, this was in addition to the Divisional signs on their sleeves.
The Service Dress tunic that I have to an officer in the 6th Kings Liverpools had the two green stripes on the back but the Dealer who I bought the tunic from thought they looked rather tatty and so removed them ( to make the tunic more saleable perhaps ?) You can imagine my thoughts when he told me he had taken the stripes off, mind you he was selling the tunic as a Liverpool Scottish one, despite the Rifles buttons and collar badges. P.B.
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Some Examples
Some examples
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