Tank Corps badge

[Sonofacqms]

I noticed that this item on ebay although being sold as a copy/fake made a high price, six bidders thought it worth buying, what are members thoughts?

351768487002


Rob

[MH331]

Rob,

any chance of a link rather than item number which does not work for me. If its the two piece cap badge with gaunt mark then I am amazed that it was worth a bid at all!

regards

Mark

[tonyb]

Here you go Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351768487002
Tony

[manchesters]

Well played by the seller.
Made it clear it was a fake from the start and got a great price.

I recall the previous threads on here about this badge being spurious.

regards

[magpie]

Aren't the others with a an overlay, this one seems to be cast in a silver colour metal with a brass/gold colour wash if the silver highlights on the back are anything to by.

[fearnaught]

Hi, the better quality ones have an overlay, some are now appearing with different manufacturers mark. So someone else is getting in on the act, best wishes Mike.

[burt246]

Hi, I was the one who bought this badge. I believe it is genuine, just by the feel of it. I have the other two types in my collection ( the overlaid versions ). I also have a couple of fakes.

I believe they were a private buy after the war and were worn by rankers ( Bronze and silver/WM ) and senior NCO's ( gilt and silver/WM ).

I'm pretty sure it's a good one, but if it isn't "hay ho" its in my collection.

I got my two overlaid originals from Peter Payne, who has written three books on collecting Tank badges. These are my bibles.

[manchesters]

Peter,

Can you provide details of the 3 books please, I was unaware of them before you mentioned it.
Might be worth buying.

regards

[MH331]

Peter,

same request please having just started a beginners collection of Tank Corps items a reference work on the subject would be really useful.

thanks

Mark

Originally Posted by manchesters

Peter,

Can you provide details of the 3 books please, I was unaware of them before you mentioned it.
Might be worth buying.

regards

[Another Bubble]

Could this be one of them?

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...ting-537324745

[Alan O]

I don't claim to be an expert but I think they are officers rather than ORs badges. The band is another likely wearer as they also wore full dress.

http://www.royaltankregiment.com/en-...adgemotto.aspx : 'With the introduction of a full dress for officers in the late 1920's came special cap and collar badges with the tank in silver and the rest of the badge in gilt. The collar badges were also worn in mess dress. A hackle of horsehair in the Regimental Colours, green to the right, was worn behind the cap badge in full dress by both officers and the Band.'

There is an example of 1950s bi-metal Officers' badge in the Tank Museum worn in full dress. Post WW2 the RTR went in for some interesting items of headgear including hackles (see here: http://www.4and7royaltankregiment.com/1953-1961.html) and a rather natty wool beret that has to be seen to be believed.

[fearnaught]

Hi Alan, I've got a copy of the dress regs. page, I think it's 1927, and it refers to the bi-metal badge as shilling size which is the collar badge. If you measure these overlay and silvered badges they are very good cast copies and are a couple of mm smaller than the Gaunt originals bronze officers' badge. It was covered quite well in a previous thread. They were made in the late 60's early 70's, for years I had the gilded version as my prize collection but it was a copy, very convincing but a copy. The books were also released as CDs and should be still available from Peter though Jim McDonald unfortunately died earlier this year. Hope this helps Mike

[burt246]

The woolly beret is called an astrakhan, or for short a "N###ers wig". These were worn by officers from 1962 to the early 80's. Worn with a wire bullion badge and a plume of brown, red and green. Only worn with Number 2's, or blues.

[burt246]

Hi,

Here are the details of the books:-

Tanks & Goodbuy A Collectors Guide by Peter Payne & Jim Macdonald

Tanks Again Another Look at Things To Do with the RTR and its Predecessor by the same authors.

I can't find my other one at the moment, but these two titles are good as well.

Uniforms and insignia of the Royal Armouured Corps since 1946 by John Bodsworth.

The men inside the metal vol 1 & 2 by Dick Taylor

[Alan O]

Originally Posted by fearnaught

Hi Alan, I've got a copy of the dress regs. page, I think it's 1927, and it refers to the bi-metal badge as shilling size which is the collar badge. If you measure these overlay and silvered badges they are very good cast copies and are a couple of mm smaller than the Gaunt originals bronze officers' badge. It was covered quite well in a previous thread. They were made in the late 60's early 70's, for years I had the gilded version as my prize collection but it was a copy, very convincing but a copy. The books were also released as CDs and should be still available from Peter though Jim McDonald unfortunately died earlier this year. Hope this helps Mike

So to be clear the genuine officer bi metal badges were collar sized. The one from ebay is a full sized fake.

What size did the band wear?