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Old 09-05-17, 01:43 PM
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Captain Count John Eugen De Salis. 1st Life Guards, attached to Irish Guards.
Wearing Guards Machine Gun Battalion cap badge.

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Hi All,

Is Captain Count John Eugen De Salis wearing standard MGC collar badges in this photo?

I'm just trying to confirm if the Guards MG Regiment had their own collars or just wore MGC collars?

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Hi All,

Is Captain Count John Eugen De Salis wearing standard MGC collar badges in this photo?

I'm just trying to confirm if the Guards MG Regiment had their own collars or just wore MGC collars?

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They wore MG collars, Mick. In part this was probably because Guards regiments, both Horse and Foot, did not (still do not) wear collar badges. Instead they had a strong tradition of shoulder titles (ORs). Thus the GMGR wearing collar badges made them unique within the Brigade of Guards. Interestingly half size badges were produced but they are thought to have been worn on caps, or as brooches. They certainly weren’t worn as collar badges, by officers, or men.

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What about his buttons? Does anyone recognise them?
I am asking because of the KC GMGR buttons. I do not recall seeing them in my early collecting years.
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What about his buttons? Does anyone recognise them?
I am asking because of the KC GMGR buttons. I do not recall seeing them in my early collecting years.
Yes, crown over GMGR is correct after the Guards Machine Gun Battalion (aka ‘Machine Gun Guards’) merged with the machine gunners of the 1st and 2nd Life Guards to form the ‘Guards Machine Gun Regiment’.
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They wore MG collars, Mick. In part this was probably because Guards regiments, both Horse and Foot, did not (still do not) wear collar badges. Instead they had a strong tradition of shoulder titles (ORs). Thus the GMGR wearing collar badges made them unique within the Brigade of Guards. Interestingly half size badges were produced but they are thought to have been worn on caps, or as brooches. They certainly weren’t worn as collar badges, by officers, or men.
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They wore MG collars, Mick. In part this was probably because Guards regiments, both Horse and Foot, did not (still do not) wear collar badges. Instead they had a strong tradition of shoulder titles (ORs). Thus the GMGR wearing collar badges made them unique within the Brigade of Guards. Interestingly half size badges were produced but they are thought to have been worn on caps, or as brooches. They certainly weren’t worn as collar badges, by officers, or men.
Thanks for the clarification!

Now I just need to find a Guards Machine Gun Regiment badge (crossed MGs).

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They wore MG collars, Mick. In part this was probably because Guards regiments, both Horse and Foot, did not (still do not) wear collar badges. Instead they had a strong tradition of shoulder titles (ORs). Thus the GMGR wearing collar badges made them unique within the Brigade of Guards. Interestingly half size badges were produced but they are thought to have been worn on caps, or as brooches. They certainly weren’t worn as collar badges, by officers, or men.
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Fantastic photographs.

Thank you. Chris
Here’s another. Notice the typical wartime variation in the size and colouration of both, collar and headdress insignia among the three officers depicted. With the exigencies of war even Foot Guards Officers could not achieve complete uniformity.
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Is there a badge worn on the left sleeve?
Edit - Probably a pair of gloves or something similar tucked under the arm, I think.
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could be a mourning band
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Of course (I hadn't thought of that).
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