My WW1 Cavalry Badges

[slick_mick]

Originally Posted by rboorman

The collars as shown with the 5th Lancer badge are in fact 8th Hussars and vice versa.

Thanks - I thought that may have been the case. Will fix them the next time I photograph them.

Mick

[slick_mick]

Originally Posted by GriffMJ

Mick

if you are adding a regimental button under each of those WW1 Cav' regiments be sure to add a Leicestershire PAO Yeomanry button under the 4th Hussars, 5th Lancers & 16th Lancers for the post 1918/9 period. Also add the WW1 Yeomanry Regiments.... as they were on strength as Regular units

Maybe down the track - depends on how hard they are to find.

Mick

[Frank Kelley]

I believe these badges were actually worn by all ranks within the regiment, certainly on their collars.

Originally Posted by Alan O

It is refreshing to see that you have not added the spurious Z type ORRs cap badge for the 13 Hussars. I note that there is a slidered die struck one on the dealer's website mentioned above. There is no evidence at all that this was worn by ORs. Officers' caps and officers' collars only.

[Alan O]

I can't find a single photo of a soldier with this as a cap or collar but only ones with the wreath version. The officers definately wore it as cap and collar. If you have any evidence to the contrary then I would be very interested.

https://www.ukphotoarchive.org.uk/p1...76B6#h7f417c2e

A selection of pre-war and WW1 era photos of 13th Hussars in the Great War. Officers have 13Z caps and collars whilst ORs have wreath cap and collars: albeit collars seem to have been dispensed with during the war.

[Frank Kelley]

Certainly.

Originally Posted by Alan O

I can't find a single photo of a soldier with this as a cap or collar but only ones with the wreath version. The officers definately wore it as cap and collar. If you have any evidence to the contrary then I would be very interested.

[Alan O]

Brilliant photo - Any idea who he is and when the photo dates from? It looks interwar. The haircut and the 'stand' collar look to be 1920s-30s. The absence of medal ribbons suggests later rather than earlier. This site https://web.archive.org/web/20040824...photo/jb12.htm shows unpublished photos from a former trooper in the 13th Hussars just prior to amalgamation when he transferred to the 11th Hussars so are datable to 1920-21. No collars are worn and the 13th wreath badge is clearly in use on the eve of amalgamation. The regt were in Egypt in 1931 and India thereafter but he may have been in UK on detached duty.

The regimental history states that the QMO addition to the title was made in 1935 which may date the introduction of the short lived 5-bar gate QMO cap and collar although there is a photo attributed to 1934 where the 5 bar gate is used as a collar so it appears to predate that. Prior to that the regiment had retained the 2 original regiments' identity within separate squadrons so despite the formation of the 13/18th Hussars in 1922 the old insignia remained in use for a period.


The one button visible resembles a 'ball' button rather than the standard GS one. Is there a larger part of the photo?

Alan

[Alan O]

This trooper was in the 13th Hussars in 1920/21 and transferred to the 11th Hussars on amalgamation. It shows the 13th Wreath collars with the 13H title that were in use of that year.

[Frank Kelley]

Another superb photograph!

Originally Posted by Alan O

This trooper was in the 13th Hussars in 1920/21 and transferred to the 11th Hussars on amalgamation. It shows the 13th Wreath collars with the 13H title that were in use of that year.

[Alan O]

Frank

I don't know if had noticed but in both photos the 2 troopers are wearing the lanyard on the right shoulder. This was a post WW1 affection to their dress and is seen in the inter-war period photos. The standardisation of wearing the regtl lanyard on the right shoulder was a 13th Hussars trait.

The pre-war photos of the regiment in India do not show lanyards being worn at all.

This trooper has the Z-type cap and collars. The GWF uniform experts believe that it is post WW1 due to the type of cap.

Alan

[Hoot]

I suspect there will soon be a flood of 13th Hussars "Z-scroll" other ranks "genuine" slidered cap badges arriving on the market. There's bound to be a lot of "Arkwright" style hand rubbing now, Ger-Ger-Granville, fetch the tooling!!.

[Alan O]

Unfortunately they have been around for years. All die struck with short sliders and still in production today.

[tonyb]

Originally Posted by tonyb

Nice collection Mick, though I do believe your 6th Inniskillings to be a copy.
I say this because windows in turrets unvoided and number of stone coarses above centre window.
Just my opinion.
Cheers Tony.

Addendum to post #9 .
https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/br...h_dragoons.htm
Tony.

[slick_mick]

Originally Posted by tonyb

Addendum to post #9 .
https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/br...h_dragoons.htm
Tony.

Thanks Tony! I've located a replacement 6th Inniskillings badge.

Also does anyone know if the 14th Hussars wore oval collars with their early oval hat badge?

Mick

[Alan O]

Yes they did.

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...8&d=1468616657

The regiment re-adopted the eagle cap badges in India in the late 1920s and it was officially approved in 1931 I believe.

[slick_mick]

Originally Posted by Alan O

Yes they did.

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...8&d=1468616657

The regiment re-adopted the eagle cap badges in India in the late 1920s and it was officially approved in 1931 I believe.

OK thanks Alan.

Now to find a pair!

Mick