Royal Dublin Fusiliers insignia

[phaethon]

Like I understand this is officer's collar with the scroll? Looks good original badge to me but second opinion would be great.

[phaethon]

This one I got today as well and it's puzzles me a little. My main feeling is that its the copy. Animals and the scroll looks too "shiny". Meantime there is some details, what I understand should be on the original badge ("sweat holes", etc). What you guys think...

[phaethon]

and here is picture of whole haul:



I will post some close ups here, where is some very nice examples together already:

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...blin+fusiliers

[connaught]

Originally Posted by phaethon

This one I got today as well and it's puzzles me a little. My main feeling is that its the copy. Animals and the scroll looks too "shiny". Meantime there is some details, what I understand should be on the original badge ("sweat holes", etc). What you guys think...

This badge looks good to me, IMO its another variant with oval sweat holes.
Regards,
Connaught.

[ebro]

Looks OK to me too!
Eddie

[Toby Purcell]

I agree. It's just that it has seen some service and been well polished by a soldier I imagine. The look is typical of such badges anyway.

[phaethon]

Thanks guys! It was in this case great find and new example for my collection.

Regards of first one, am I correct that its the OSD collar?

Thanks again,

Timo

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by phaethon

and here is picture of whole haul:



I will post some close ups here, where is some very nice examples together already:

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...blin+fusiliers

With regard to the six, ORs bimetal cap badges, I had never noticed the 'squat' shaped examples (2 at bottom left and 1 at top right) where the flames are more compact and the scroll more closely joined. Clearly manufacturers variations and I imagine from the WW1 period, as unlike the others they do not match precisely the shape displayed in 1900 Dress Regulations, when the badges for the whole Army were first shown in photographs, having only relatively recently been sealed.

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by phaethon

Thanks guys! It was in this case great find and new example for my collection.

Regards of first one, am I correct that its the OSD collar?

Thanks again,

Timo

Yes I had always understood that the more 'wavy' flames are from the OSD collar badge, but 3 lugs seems a lot to prevent the badge moving and would have required matching holes in the collar, which in expensive wool cloth would surely have made the tailor weep. John Mulcahy and perhaps DUBLIN would be the best people to confirm this for you, I am not sure.

[John Mulcahy]

I too believe that this is a collar badge because of the presence of loops, regardless of the number. I have not found any references, official or otherwise regarding the number and placement of loops for such badges.

As an aside this pattern collar badge was officially replaced by the version without scroll under authority 55/Infantry/247 which was issued with Army Orders 1 Aug 1913.
So Timo you can date this version with scroll to c. 1902- c. 1913.

What I am currently hunting for is any official order that replaces the large Munster Fusiliers OSD with the small version - if any one has such a reference I would be grateful for the information.

John

[phaethon]

Thank you guys.

Next one now is 102nd Royal Madras Fusiliers badge. Too good to be true?

[GTB]

Hi guys,
Just as a matter of interest. A few days ago I detected the front half of a pre-1881 long-bodied tiger CB, consisting of head (or face), shoulders, front legs and ground, for a left-facing collar. Incidentally, the 101st were stationed at Malta between Oct 1874 - July 1878. Hope I haven't opened a can of worms!
Rgds
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[John Mulcahy]

Originally Posted by phaethon

Thank you guys.

Next one now is 102nd Royal Madras Fusiliers badge. Too good to be true?

Timo

The position of the loops and the flanges on the base of the loops make me believe that this is a reproduction.

John

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by phaethon

Thank you guys.

Next one now is 102nd Royal Madras Fusiliers badge. Too good to be true?

I am afraid that I do not know enough about the manufacture of these badges to be sure whether they are genuine, restrikes using original dies, or copies for the collectors market.

This is a specialised area and it would be worth your while to borrow a book on pre-Territorial Glengarry Badges from the library and look up the details.

[GTB]

For some reason this collar badge had beem misplaced among my Canadian badges. Thanks to the Forum it has now come home.
GTB