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Old 02-08-18, 10:51 PM
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Last Weekend i bought a Uniform on a flea market. Maybe you can help me guys! I could identitfy the ribbons as Defence Medal, General Service Medal 1918-1962 an Campaign Service Medal 1962. Is this right? The Collar Badges are from the Devonshire and Dorset Regiment but the tunic buttons dont show the regimental signs. I think its shows the Prince of Wales feathers. Does that mean they were replaced ?
The Rank Insignia look like Seargent but why is it Gold on red? In the web i could not find any british uniform with that kind of badge.
The crossed Flags with crown above the rank are a badge of apointment. It means army recruiter, right ?

Now to my problems, what does the red on green shoulderribbon mean? Is this a regimental ribbon? Can you help me identify the two lanyards because i have no clue. What Kind of cap and belt is needed for that sort of uniform?
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Old 02-08-18, 11:32 PM
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Hello Larkin, welcome to the Forum. Your account is active and open for posts.
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Now to my problems, what does the red on green shoulder ribbon mean? Is this a regimental ribbon?


In the fourth photograph, the red and green ribbon is France's Croix de Guerre 1914-1918.Perhaps it was attributed to one of the battalion of the Devon Regt. or of the Dorset Regt. during the First World War.
As for the top lanyard,I think this is the lanyard that goes with the CdeG,but,this is to be checked.

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Old 03-08-18, 06:26 AM
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I think the button is Prince of Wales Division which the D&D were part of.
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Old 03-08-18, 06:44 AM
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Now to my problems, what does the red on green shoulder ribbon mean? Is this a regimental ribbon?


In the fourth photograph, the red and green ribbon is France's Croix de Guerre 1914-1918.Perhaps it was attributed to one of the battalion of the Devon Regt. or of the Dorset Regt. during the First World War.
As for the top lanyard,I think this is the lanyard that goes with the CdeG,but,this is to be checked.

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As far as I’m aware the Croix De Guerre was awarded to the Devonshire’s in WW1, think 2nd Battn ?

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Old 03-08-18, 08:23 AM
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The D and D's retained the ribbon as a regimental dress adornment from the Devonshire's tradition.

The cap would be a Devon and Dorset peaked No1 dress cap or possibly a beret.

The belt would be green plastic or possibly a white one for formal ceremonial.
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Old 03-08-18, 09:10 AM
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The Rank Insignia look like Seargent but why is it Gold on red?

These indicates that the wearer is a Recruiting Sergeant and has completed the required training to be a member of staff in an Army Recruiting Office, when we had them.

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I used to know a recruiting Sergeant in the Devon and Dorset's, is there a name in the collar or inside pocket?

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Old 03-08-18, 07:14 PM
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All the above is correct, the collar badge is that of The Devonshire and Dorset Regiment, The Croix De Guerre was awarded to the 2nd Battalion The Devonshire Regiment in commemoration of its exploits at Bois Des Buttes on the Aisle on 27th May 1918 by the French Government. Worn by The Devonshire Regiment, the D&D Regiment and now by all battalions of The Rifles.
The Prince of Wales Division buttons were worn by the D&D when they were part of that division.
The Red and Green lanyard is that of the Devonshire Regiment and the Green one was worn later by the D&D.
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Old 03-08-18, 07:56 PM
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Cant add very much to whats.already been noted.
The pow buttons were replaced by D&D buttons (as the collars)
The collars appear to be of the 2nd pattern ,30mm across the bottom scroll rather than the wider 1st pattern.
Who ever the uniform belong to must have served many years within the Regt.
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Mike H:Who ever the uniform belong to must have served many years within the Regt.


The Defence Medal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenc...United_Kingdom)

The General Service Medal (1918).
http://www.northeastmedals.co.uk/bri...1918_award.htm

The General Service Medal (1962).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genera...ce_Medal_(1962)
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Old 04-08-18, 02:43 AM
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Thanks for the help guys, you helped me so much.

So to complete the jacket i need two Devonshire & Dorset Regiment shoulder title badges and the right buttons. But what button sizes are needed? What would you do, replace or keep the old Prince of Wales Division buttons?

Where can i get a Devon and Dorset peaked No1 dress cap? Ideas?

Was this uniform worn with a "Red SNCO sash" ?

[QUOTE=Rob Miller;450300]I used to know a recruiting Sergeant in the Devon and Dorset's, is there a name in the collar or inside pocket?

Yes Rob the uniform has a name on it. His name was "Scanlon"
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Old 04-08-18, 04:06 AM
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[QUOTE=Larkin;450392]Thanks for the help guys, you helped me so much.

So to complete the jacket i need two Devonshire & Dorset Regiment shoulder title badges and the right buttons. But what button sizes are needed? What would you do, replace or keep the old Prince of Wales Division buttons?

Where can i get a Devon and Dorset peaked No1 dress cap? Ideas?

Was this uniform worn with a "Red SNCO sash" ?

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I used to know a recruiting Sergeant in the Devon and Dorset's, is there a name in the collar or inside pocket?

Yes Rob the uniform has a name on it. His name was "Scanlon"
Keep the original buttons.
The D&D cap is of the PoW division pattern,blue with red piping.
A red sash would have been worn.
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Old 04-08-18, 06:35 AM
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Thanks for the help guys, you helped me so much.

Yes Rob the uniform has a name on it. His name was "Scanlon"
Thanks, that wasn't him.
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TThe D&D cap is of the PoW division pattern,blue with red piping.
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The hat is officially "Non Royal Pattern". "Royal" Regiments have the broad red band around the body of the hat.

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