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Old 19-12-16, 02:50 PM
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Just bought this little fob which seems to be masonic, and now I'm wondering if some of these stationary crests may also be?

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Old 19-12-16, 03:41 PM
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What part of it makes you think it is masonic, Rob?
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Old 19-12-16, 03:51 PM
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Hi Tim

AF & AM is a masonic term

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Old 19-12-16, 03:53 PM
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Got it the AF & AM scroll, the device without the scroll is described in Military Insignia of Cornwall by Ivall and Thomas as being used on mess china, christmas cards,and on an album of photographs. It was used some years after 1881 as the crest of the 2nd Bn. DCLI. Tim
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Old 19-12-16, 03:57 PM
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Does the plume/flower/lollypop thing in the middle appear on all those?

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Old 19-12-16, 04:02 PM
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Yes, "it represents a ball tuft, as worn on various shakos (the original 'Red Feathers' is implied)"
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Old 19-12-16, 04:04 PM
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One of my crests doesn't have it, I wonder if that makes it earlier?

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Old 19-12-16, 05:13 PM
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Many regiments had their own masonic lodges, there have been a number of articles about them over the years in the MHS Bulletins.

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Here is a picture of Masonic mess China of the Royal Sussex Regiment.

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Old 19-12-16, 05:28 PM
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Some Lodges seem to have been formed even relatively recently::

https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=cr&...+masonic+lodge

This might also be of interest:

http://www.militarymasons.org.uk/History2.html

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Old 19-12-16, 06:05 PM
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That's interesting Peter, my fob/badge came from America and may even be quite modern.

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