Cast / Theatre-made Badges

[cbuehler]

The source of this information is myself, collected over the decades with the combined wisdom and knowledge of this forum.
Officer badges are a law unto themselves. While they must of course conform to the described pattern or badge submitted, small details of style and construction are up to the maker.

CB

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by cbuehler

The source of this information is myself, collected over the decades with the combined wisdom and knowledge of this forum.
Officer badges are a law unto themselves. While they must of course conform to the described pattern or badge submitted, small details of style and construction are up to the maker.

CB

Got it (thumbs up)

Cheers,

JT

[Fatherofthree]

Originally Posted by cbuehler

The source of this information is myself, collected over the decades with the combined wisdom and knowledge of this forum.
Officer badges are a law unto themselves. While they must of course conform to the described pattern or badge submitted, small details of style and construction are up to the maker.

CB

Greetings CB.
I have to disagree with you.
I have seen and held the item that Jelly Terror is asking about and have to say that it is a theatre made badge, albeit of some quality.

Perhaps the pictures he posted appear to show said item in a better light than when seen in reality.

This Nursey Rhyme in relation to Lambs, springs to mind.

Mary, Mary, it's quite contrary,
Is it good or is it fraud.
In silver and gilt and with metal pins.
No, it's a badge that was made abroad.

Regards.
Brian

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by Fatherofthree

Greetings CB.
I have to disagree with you.
I have seen and held the item that Jelly Terror is asking about and have to say that it is a theatre made badge, albeit of some quality.

Perhaps the pictures he posted appear to show said item in a better light than when seen in reality.

This Nursey Rhyme in relation to Lambs, springs to mind.

Mary, Mary, it's quite contrary,
Is it good or is it fraud.
In silver and gilt and with metal pins.
No, it's a badge that was made abroad.

Regards.
Brian

A poet too?! Blimey Brian, you’re wasted, mate. And I don’t mean on Guinness

Cheers,

JT

[Frank Kelley]

From the photographs, I would say that it is an officers badge for the forage cap, looks really good.

Originally Posted by Jelly Terror

I sometimes wonder about cast/theatre-made badges, in that whilst many are clearly taken from impressions of 'known' badges, others (such as the example pictured below) do not appear to have a specific 'parent' badge in the world beyond cast/theatre-made manufacture.

The pattern variation shown here falls beyond the parameters of the established/recorded QRWS variants that I am familiar with. I have been unable to find a matching example in the factory-produced realm that might have served as the original for this lamb.

Did Indian/Egyptian etc., badge makers generally exercise liberal amounts of artistic licence when casting; merging and mingling and making mongrels, the origins of which sometimes seem too dilute to trace?

I am wondering if members who collect the badges of other units have noticed such anomalies within their chosen areas of specialisation?

Regards,

JT

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[Frank Kelley]

Particularly like the two rivets!

Originally Posted by Jelly Terror

I sometimes wonder about cast/theatre-made badges, in that whilst many are clearly taken from impressions of 'known' badges, others (such as the example pictured below) do not appear to have a specific 'parent' badge in the world beyond cast/theatre-made manufacture.

The pattern variation shown here falls beyond the parameters of the established/recorded QRWS variants that I am familiar with. I have been unable to find a matching example in the factory-produced realm that might have served as the original for this lamb.

Did Indian/Egyptian etc., badge makers generally exercise liberal amounts of artistic licence when casting; merging and mingling and making mongrels, the origins of which sometimes seem too dilute to trace?

I am wondering if members who collect the badges of other units have noticed such anomalies within their chosen areas of specialisation?

Regards,

JT

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[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by Frank Kelley

Particularly like the two rivets!

Yes indeed, Frank. A fine example of late-Baroque (some say early-Rococo) rivetational craftsmanship. A joy to behold, and an enviable addition to any collector’s top drawer.

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And agreed, by the way; it is quite a nice badge. Thanks for posting

JT

[JerryBB]

I have a few of these, some I think the Intel is a period theater made item and some 1970's Indian/Pakistan made.

[JerryBB]

and this for the welsh horse, which I think is period

[Jelly Terror]

Nice little lot there, Jerry.

Are you able to say whether or not any of these are moulded from impressions of standard British-issue badges, or are they the makers’ own interpretations?

Thanks for posting.

JT

[JerryBB]

JT,

I think the intel is cast from an original and the same for the WH, but I doubt the others are, though without originals to compare against

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by JerryBB

JT,

I think the intel is cast from an original and the same for the WH, but I doubt the others are, though without originals to compare against

Thanks Jerry.

For the time being - that is, until I can ascertain otherwise - I believe the badge in my OP not to have been cast from a single, standard, British-issue ‘parent’ badge. In the years I’ve been collecting, studying and recording variations in QRWS cap badges, and of the dies I have encountered to date, none match this particular example.

In addition, the only other example I have seen of this particular badge, is of even poorer quality.

That’s is not to say I am correct; I am always very happy and very keen to be proven wrong. That’s the other reliable direction in which progress is made.

Regards to all,

JT

[grey_green_acorn]

This eBay seller based in Pakistan has listed a very large number of cast badges:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_s...75.m3561.l2562

Tim

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by grey_green_acorn

This eBay seller based in Pakistan has listed a very large number of cast badges:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_s...75.m3561.l2562

Tim

Over two-hundred badges listed there. Thanks Tim.

JT

[Artynut]

Seems to me he’s gone to a lot of trouble to produce scrap metal out of scrap metal. He doesn’t even use a good quality medium to cast the scrap in! D.J.