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#16
01-02-21, 09:22 PM
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I have seen a post 1923 Manchester Rgt Fleur-de-lys in white metal with the same makers mark on the slider. I understand the WM version is post-WW2?
As you'll know, the GM 1916 Norfolk Rgt you show is a fake die. It's not a restrike from an original die. It's a crude copy, a post-1937 die exhibiting none of the fine details seen on original pre-1937 Norfolk cap badges. Therefore the MM found on the slider married to it reinforces the view that this MM is just not right too, certainly with regards to this particular badge. 
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07-02-21, 06:25 PM
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Pioneer Corps / Royal Pioneer Corps. King’s Crown GM
Tim
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11-02-21, 08:44 AM
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Queen's Royal Regiment (West Surrey) GM
Tim
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23-02-21, 07:45 PM
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Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire Light Infantry WM
Tim
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#21
23-02-21, 07:49 PM
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Revised list
MARPLES & BEASLEY \ BIRMINGHAM 15th Hussars 17th/21st Lancers WM 21st Lancers (VRI) KC GM 22nd Dragoons WM 26th Hussars GM 5th Inniskilling Dragoon Guards KC WM 9th Lancers KC WM Army Air Corps KC WM Artists Rifles WM Duke of Cornwall’s Light Infantry WM East Lancashire Regiment KC BIM Glider Pilot Regiment KC WM Hertfordshire Yeomanry GM Highland Yeomanry QC WM Home Counties Brigade WM Intelligence Corps KC GM Lanarkshire Yeomanry GM Lancashire Fusiliers BIM Manchester Regiment GM and in WM (fleur de lys) Norfolk Regiment GM North Irish Horse QC WM Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire Light Infantry WM Palestine Police KC WM Parachute Regiment KC WM Pioneer Corps KC GM Queen’s Own Yorkshire Yeomanry BIM Queen's Royal Regiment (West Surrey) GM Rifle Brigade KC WM Royal Dragoons BIM Royal Engineers KC GM Royal Fusiliers 1st Judean Battalion GM Royal Norfolk Regiment GM Royal Ulster Rifles KC WM South Staffordshire Regiment QC BIM Special Air Service BIM Staffordshire Yeomanry KC WM Staffordshire Yeomanry QC WM Welsh Regiment WM (2nd VB) Westmoreland & Cumberland Yeomanry GM
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08-04-21, 06:02 PM
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Marples and Beasley sliders
This is an interesting thread which I seem to have overlooked, out of interest I decided to look at my records to see if I had any badges with this name on the slider.
Only one found, The Life Guards GviR with the note "slider replaced" beside it, so I suppose someone must have been repairing badges using these new sliders. Rob
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02-08-21, 06:20 PM
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#27
02-08-21, 07:51 PM
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Revised List - August 2021
There seems to be a general consensus on the Forum that the maker mark MARPLES & BEASLEY over BIRMINGHAM should not appear on the sliders of 'other ranks' badges made in white metal (WM), gilding metal (GM) or bi-metal (BIM). The mark is therefore an indicator that the badge is not genuine (i.e. a fake or reproduction), or that it is perhaps a genuine badge and the mark has been added to provide spurious verisimilitude. There is also evidence that a good badge may have had a marked replacement slider added.
The following list (not exhaustive) is an attempt to cover badges that have been seen for sale and/or have been identified on this Forum in recent years. MARPLES & BEASLEY \ BIRMINGHAM 15th Hussars 17th/21st Lancers WM 20th Hussars GM 21st Lancers (VRI) KC GM 22nd Dragoons WM 26th Hussars GM 5th Inniskilling Dragoon Guards KC WM 9th Lancers KC WM Army Air Corps KC WM Artists Rifles WM Buffs GM Duke of Cornwall’s Light Infantry WM Edward VII cypher KC WM East Lancashire Regiment KC BIM Glider Pilot Regiment KC WM Hertfordshire Yeomanry GM Highland Yeomanry QC WM Home Counties Brigade WM Intelligence Corps KC GM King Edward’s Horse KC WM Lanarkshire Yeomanry GM Lancashire Fusiliers BIM Life Guards GVIR (replacement slider) Manchester Regiment GM and in WM (fleur de lys) Norfolk Regiment GM North Irish Horse QC WM Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire Light Infantry WM Palestine Police KC WM Parachute Regiment KC WM Pioneer Corps KC GM Queen’s Own Yorkshire Yeomanry BIM Queen's Royal Regiment (West Surrey) GM Rifle Brigade KC WM Royal Dragoons BIM Royal Engineers KC GM Royal Fusiliers 1st Judean Battalion GM Royal Norfolk Regiment GM Royal Ulster Rifles KC WM South Staffordshire Regiment QC BIM South Staffordshire (2nd VB) KC WM Special Air Service BIM Staffordshire Yeomanry KC WM Staffordshire Yeomanry QC WM Upper Thames Patrol GM Welsh Regiment WM (2nd VB) Westmoreland & Cumberland Yeomanry GM __________________
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"Manui dat cognitio vires - Knowledge gives strength to the arm" "Better to know it but not need it than to need it and not know it!" "Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest." Last edited by grey_green_acorn; 13-08-21 at 10:58 AM.
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02-08-21, 09:10 PM
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Thank you, added to the updated list.
Tim
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